Talk:Mirror, Mirror (Star Trek: The Original Series)

Goatee question

It is basically true that this episode introduced the idea that one's "evil twin" would be goateed? --Lenoxus 00:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the "goateed" evil twin cliché started with this, but I'm not certain. Your bringing it up though just made me realize now, why the evil twin character of one of the heroes in a certain online comic I read, "Order of the Stick", sports a goatee. :D Cyberia23 00:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Your quotes are correct. It is not really a goatee because it includes a mustache. Spock's appearance is remarkably Satanic. Wastrel Way (talk) Eric

That's what I'm here for. ;) --Lenoxus 03:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

The TOS episode beats 'The Prisoner (episode 5)' by 21 days, as well as Spinrad´s 'The Iron Dream' ( author of TOS season 2 episode 6; The fictional author of the novel within the novel fled Germany before his historical doppleganger supposedly developed the idea for his 'trademark moustache'). But in Leiber´s 1945 novel 'Destiny Times Three' ( a fascist planet earth tries to use antitelephone/dimensionsplitting machine to conquer a liberal planet earth; the protagonists try to infiltrate the opposing dimension by impersonating their dopplegangers; and, yes, the main protagonists liberal version has no beard, and muses about his thirds version beard ). The beard does not seem to be goatee, though. Sigh... I guess I´m a nerd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4DD7:29E6:0:5CDE:C817:467C:FF87 (talk) 15:32, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Faust has always had a moustache and goatee. The evil man in travelling shows from the 17th century onwards also sported these and it was also a staple of black and white movies. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:B08F:23BE:127D:5606 (talk) 14:03, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Scott & Sulu

There's no mention (or explanation) as to why, Lt. Sulu is a superior officer to Lt. Cmdr Scott on the ISS Enterprise. Remember he explains that with Kirk & Spock dead, he (Sulu) would be in command. GoodDay (talk) 21:38, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

It must be one of the ways in which the Mirror Universe differs from the real universe. Kirk mentioned that one moves up in rank by killing, so Sulu must have killed more people. Mr. College (talk) 20:57, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, it might've been a script blooper. GoodDay (talk) 15:27, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

The difference may be due to position. While Scotty outranks Sulu, he isn't bridge (command) personnel. While in a time of crisis or as a temporary measure Scotty might be placed in command, its highly unlikely he would be permanently placed in command - who would run engineering? Sulu as the next highest ranking bridge officer would be more likely to assume permanent command, at least until his own assassination. Or it might of been writer's error. 173.209.109.16 (talk) 20:50, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

I haven't watched the original Star Trek since the 70s, but when I caught this episode the other night, I immediately thought of a certain South Park episode. MUST be from this. tharsaile (talk) 19:38, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

ISS Enterprise image

The image of the mirror universe Enterprise by itself doesn't significantly aid in our understanding of the episode -- even the CGI model introduces merely cosmetic changes. A more appropriate image would perhaps retain the CGI version, but juxtapose it with the same shot/model in the original broadcast. I haven't removed the image from the article yet, but probably will in a week or so -- the article text discusses changes to the model in relation to the original; absent the original as a point of comparison, this image is inappropriate. --EEMIV (talk) 02:08, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Plot

I think since the entire universe is a Mirror, with the exception of the landing party of 4, we don't need to preface every character's name with mirror-, as in "mirror-Spock" and "mirror-Sulu". So I deleted those references. Beadmatrix (talk) 08:56, 18 October 2012 (UTC)Beadmatrix

Beadmatrix: In the summary, it is difficult to discern which of each character is referred to at any given moment. Restoring "mirror-" as appropriate would make this section far easier to read. I would do so but...it's not entirely clear to me, and it's been too long since I watched the episode. Spanghew2fs (talk) 02:49, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Guys, the plot can't include every detail you might see on screen. It's got to be a little streamlined. Beadmatrix (talk) 06:57, 22 October 2012 (UTC)Beadmatrix

Scotty sabotages the phasers?

"while Scotty sabotages the ship's phasers to buy time for the Halkans. "

This is incorrect. Scotty ATTEMPTED to sabotage the phasers, but was turned away by heavy security he encountered in Engineering. This is relevant as it really put the pressure on Kirk. Note: I have never seen any of the "remastered" episodes, but this is how it was in the original. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.101.10.51 (talk) 22:24, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

References in other Star Trek stories

It might be of interest to add a section where the mirror episode was used in other stories in other Star Trek series. I missed most of "Deep Space Nine", but I heard there was contact between the two universes. Also, there was an episode of "Enterprise" that takes place in that universe after a star ship lost in an Original Series episode makes its way to the mirror universe, in captain Archer's time.

By the way, that so many things are the same in both universes implies a causal connection between the two. 209.131.230.93 (talk) 05:38, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

My mistake. That is covered in the article about the "Mirror Universe", which is linked to in this article. 216.188.209.250 (talk) 18:21, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Gotcha line?

I know this goes against further streamlining plot summaries, but wouldn't something like:

Begging a response, Kirk is reassured when Spock replies that he "shall consider it."

at the end of the penultimate paragraph give some appropriate reference to the main "gotcha" line in this episode? N'est pas? TashTish (talk) 06:42, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary myself, but I don't feel too strongly about it. Would like to see what other editors think. DonIago (talk) 15:12, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Reception section

Do we really need all of these reviews and rankings? Would it not be enough to say that the episode is generally acknowledged as one of the best of TOS and provide a few reviews with quotes? Are all those sites recognized as reliable sources? I note as well that many of these "receptions" were made years after the episode was first broadcast and years after the series was canceled, and might very possibly be based on fan opinion. Wastrel Way (talk) Eric

intergalatic revolt

"The Halkans have theorized that a galactic revolt in 240 years will overthrow the Terran Empire....In the DS9 series about 110 years later, however, the Empire has already been replaced by a Bajoran Klingon Cardassian Alliance, which appears to be just as brutal as the old Terran Empire. If the Halkans' prediction is correct, then the Alliance will also fall. " DS9 had several cross universive epsiodes..[too many] .however it never had a finale...in which the Alliance also falls...say 130 years...and what is left is taken over by..THE BORG...in STTNG "Parrells" there is a brief glimpse of a Federation taken over by the Borg..but they never tell if is the evil Terran empire..or not — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.49.135.188 (talk) 00:49, 31 December 2023 (UTC)