Talk:Mitrella mesnyi

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Romduol identity

There are two issues at hand.

1. It is possible that Mitrella mesnyi and Melodorum fruticosum are one in the same.

2. If they are actually different then Romduol can refer to either of them.

Mitrella mesnyi was formerly Unona mesnyi. In an old botany book, you can find on Google Books, Unona mesnyi was described as existing in Thailand. Yet, I cannot find any modern day mention of Unona mesnyi or Mitrella mesnyi in Thai publications. It is possible that Unona mesnyi was previously described or renamed as Melodorum fruticosum among the botanists in Thailand. If this is the case it makes sense that modern Thailand only mentions Melodorum fruticosum while totally ignoring Unona or Mitrella mesnyi. And somewhere in the 1970s, Unona mesnyi was renamed Mitrella mesnyi by a different Vietnamese botanist. The problem with trying to figure this out is information about these two taxa are so scarce and are most likely outdated material if any are to found online.

If they are indeed different species, then its very plausible to say that Cambodians, let alone any average person, would refer to them by only one name (that would be Romduol in Khmer) as these two taxa look so superficially similar. Theoretically, both species should exist in Cambodia with Melodorum fruticosum in the Northwest at the least. In Thailand, the cognate for Romduol is Lamduan and it is used to refer to Melodorum fruticosum. If this is the case, shouldn't Romduol redirect to a disambiguation page with a list of these two taxa?

The placard in this image says Romduol Popowia abberans: [[1]]

And what's up with using this spelling: Rumdul over others? If you follow the table at Khmer script it is properly Rumduol, but in geographic names, Romduol (with an O first) is proper. Unfortunately, the spelling of Rumdul was made popular by the ASEAN national flowers page it is incorrect as it doesn't take in to account that the second vowel is actually a diphthong. I think we should drop its use in the article. Don't mention it all because it's just perpetuating an error. --Dara (talk) 00:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

It now is clear to me that Melodorum fruticosum is taxonomically distinct from the Mitrella mesnyi(now accepted as Sphaerocoryne affinis and the synonym Popowia aberrans'). However, since many species of Anonnaceae are superficially similar in appearance, there is no doubt that the Cambodian word rumduol may refer to more than these two species. In Cambodian dictionaries, the rumduol is defined as Popowia aberrans which is synonym for Sphaerocoryne affinis.--KaffirLemon (talk) 05:21, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Please disregard the above. I forgot to announce, upon further research, some Thai mentions Melodorum fruticosum is a synonym for Sphaerocoryne affinis. Turns out these are probably synonyms after all. --KaffirLemon (talk) 02:51, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Mitrella mssnyi is an invalid name

To whom it may concern. This taxon is now accepted as Sphaerocoryne affinis (Teijsm. & Binn.) Ridl. by the WCSP (in review). The synonym Unona mesnyi and Mitrella mesnyi are now considered invalid as they were improperly published. Another synonym, Popowia aberrans is also use in Cambodia as pointed out in the message above but this is considered a valid synonym so it can still be used. I will plan out changes to this article to reflect the accepted name. --KaffirLemon (talk) 05:09, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

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2024 update

I've moved content about the rumduol flower to Sphaerocoryne lefevrei, based on current information. This page, which was previously at "Sphaerocoryne affinis", has been moved back to Mitrella mesnyi to preserve its history, and converted into a disambiguation page. I've written a new short article for Sphaerocoryne affinis, which is actually a different species and doesn't occur in Cambodia. See WT:WikiProject Plants#Need help sorting out Sphaerocoryne lefevrei for details. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC)