Talk:Modernist poetry

Modernism template

I've added a template feel free to add new articles to it. Stirling Newberry 00:32, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Expansion Plans

In the Portal:Arts/Things you can do, it's mentioned as an open, priority task to expand the article Modernist poetry. I would like to work on this -- and, especially as a WikiNewbie, I'd be delighted if other people would help.

The existing article is a 1-paragraph stub that has remained unedited and undiscussed since 3 Jan 2005 (UTC). The article has a "See also," several of whose references to national schools are themselves not even stubs but would need to be created. It also cites two perhaps unnecessarily competing lists: List of modernist poets and List of English-language first and second generation modernist writers. Both of these lists are highly uncategorized and English-centric.

The brightest spot in this picture is Modernist poetry in English, a featured article that IMHO is in little need of revision -- except for the calls on its talk page for inline references, which it badly needs.

I think that the not-yet-even-stubs mentioned on Modernist poetry for "Modernist Poetry in French" (and similarly in other languages) should be fulfilled by articles modeled on Modernist poetry in English -- except with inline references. Care should be taken to not interfere with existing articles on the history of French (and so on) literature. Like the American article, they should concentrated specifically on modernist theory and practice, and on poetry.

The main article Modernist poetry should be international and make general comparisons and contrasts, while the national articles should describe chronology and movements within each country.

There do exist good articles on Symbolism (arts), on Dada, and on The Blue Rider -- but they are not specific to poetry. Therefore, complementary material should be developed and included in Modernist poetry, along with other precursors.

I think care should be taken in these articles to bring out a sense of contrasts between, and continuity among, Precursors, High Modernism, Late Modernism, and Postmodernism. The List of modernist poets should be restructured accordingly, and it should be expanded to include more nationalities.

I'd start by researching names of poets suggested by Marjorie Perloff in the course of an article on anthologies that mentions which modernist poets she feels belong where:

there was little doubt as to the position of the Great Modernist Precursors. True, one could quarrel as to the relative merits of Robert Frost or of e. e. cummings, true such forgotten women poets as Mina Loy and Laura Riding Jackson had not yet been rediscovered. But whose list did not include Eliot and Pound, Stevens and Williams, Moore and H.D., Gertrude Stein and Hart Crane? Add to these the English poet Auden, the French Valéry and Reverdy, Apollinaire and Cendrars, the German Rilke, Trakl, and Brecht, the Spanish Lorca, and Argentinian Neruda, and you have a pretty fixed notion of what Modernism-in-Poetry would look like. . . . such 'forerunners' of Modernism as Blake, Hölderlin, Dickinson and Rimbaud through the Futurisms, Dada, Surrealism, and Objectivism . . .

Others:

• Russians: Marina Tsvetaeva, Russian Symbolism, Valery Bryusov, Maximilian Voloshin, Osip Mandelstam, Acmeist poetry, Boris Pasternak, Anna Akhmatova
• Americans: Fugitives (poets)
• English: Yvor Winters, Cecil Day-Lewis, Cecil Day-Lewis#A New Anthology of Modern Verse 1920-1940 (1941), Cecil Day-Lewis#The Chatto Book of Modern Poetry 1915-1955 (1956), Louis MacNeice, Stephen Spender
• French: Rimbaud and modern culture, Paul Verlaine, Stéphane Mallarmé, Charles Baudelaire
• Spanish and Latin American:
• Italian:
• Polish:
• German: Hermann Hesse, Paul Celan, Expressionism

Another basic starting point is Rothenberg, Jerome (1995). Poems for the Millennium. Berkeley: University of California Press. ISBN 0520072278.. It has interesting suggestions for names of poets in a very wide variety of nationalities, and it has section introductions that can be referenced.

I plan throughout to use the guidelines in Wikipedia:WikiProject Poetry

For the time being, I have created a user subpage to hold the unfinished work-in-progress. It will just start out with the existing text of Modernist poetry.

In any case, I repeat that I would deeply appreciate and comments, suggestions, advice, or help with this program. William P. Coleman (talk) 23:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Miss-Link to Moderna

Looking at language links, I do not see a related article for Ukrainian nor Russian. I do not know if such article exists, and is merely suffering a language issue.

I DO see a link to a Slavic language that I don't speak - and that link actually refers to Moderna - a biotech or Pharma firm. And that link, in turn connects to 39 other languages, and in turn to Moderna (which in that context at least makes sense.)

Something is amiss there - the links off of this article to other languages should be reviewed for relevance. 24.10.43.125 (talk) 08:52, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Avant-garde?

Has devided and expanded the division Schools. What about Avant-garde movements? Does Modernism includ them or this item is a parallel? DayakSibiriak (talk) 01:15, 11 May 2023 (UTC)