Talk:Mohammed Shakir (Indian politician)

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Removal of content

Hi Shukad - I've created this section for you to explain why you think the material you have been removing needs to go, and to provide any sources you have to demonstrate that the allegations have been disproved. Please put anything you would like other editors to respond to below. Also notifying Elfabet and BritishFinance who reverted your changes. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 13:11, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi [User:Girth Summit] - While sensational material makes it to the news and it is easy to provide sources. In the cases listed here, one of them was withdrawn and the other stayed by a higher court. It is misleading to say convicted. I know this as I'm from the same town. This person is quite well known and actively involved in the politics of my town Kadiri. You will agree that it is not proper to report only one side of the story. He is featured in a lot of articles in the local media in the Telugu language.

Please look at the below page, In the image on the upper left-hand corner he is second from left. https://epaper.sakshi.com/2104320/Anantapur-Constituencies/09-04-2019#kadiri/2/2

In the below article, he is on the lower right-hand corner of the page. https://epaper.sakshi.com/2100120/Anantapur-Constituencies/06-04-2019#kadiri/2/1

In the article at the bottom of the page, he is seen seated on the stage on the right of the speaker https://epaper.sakshi.com/2092873/Anantapur-Constituencies/01-04-2019#kadiri/2/2

In the below article, he is featured along the left hand margin of the page https://epaper.sakshi.com/2086767/Anantapur-Constituencies/28-03-2019#kadiri/1/1

I can send many other examples from the local newspapers. My point is to prove that if the article about being convicted were true, he wouldn't have been here. The English newspapers only print sensational articles and do not print follow up stories. Hope this makes sense. Regards Shukad

Hi Shukad, thanks for engaging here. I've looked at the sources you provided above. I can't read the Telugu language, but I could use Google translate to check any parts of it that you direct me to. Do any of these articles say that the conviction was quashed, or that he was not in fact convicted and that the ToI was mistaken? I'm afraid that we can't infer from his being in a photograph that he wasn't convicted - we need a source actually discussing the conviction itself. Please can you explain further? Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 15:35, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Re-pinging Britishfinance - just noticed I botched the last attempt. This is just FYI, in case there's anything you want to add.

• Thanks Girth Summit. I am not convinced by the arguments above which seem pretty weak. We have three en-RS which state that he was convicted, two of which are good The Hindu Times of India, and one less so on Andhra News (which WP does not allow as an RS). However, they all confirm the same conviction. There is no RS (of any kind I can see) to say that it was overturned, and it would be odd that three sources (two of which are good quality) would report on his conviction but stay silent on it being overturned. I am also of the mind that the attempts to blank this section (as opposed to clarifying that a conviction led to it being overturned with some evidence), indicate another agenda, which means that this page may need long-term protection regarding these incidents. Britishfinance (talk) 20:54, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

allegations

I've protected the version with which I disagree. I generally don't like this sort of content, but it is sourced to the Times of India. We will need fuller discussion of content and thorough discussion of sources. He has been convicted? Then the content generally stands. The allegations have been disproven? After conviction? Then that needs to be reliably sourced. If that is the case, both the conviction and the disproval should be mentioned with equal weight. DlohCierekim 15:23, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

I've made a couple of changes, to change a couple of the refs at the bottom of the page so that they are in-line citations supporting the relevant assertions. I think that the content needs tidying up - apart from anything else, it looks like close paraphrasing of the sources, which should be reworded, and probably trimmed since a lot of it covers what the bank manager did rather than the subject. Thought I'd wait and see whether any further sources are forthcoming before doing any work on the content though. GirthSummit _(blether) 15:38, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

I have tidied up the Convictions section to reduce any copyvio. The en-refs we have is all I can find. These are good RS sources so the facts stand. After that, I can't find anything else. We should think about the longer term need for protection here? Britishfinance (talk) 21:49, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Follow Up: Can we include a neutral, due weight mention in the lead? I'm not sure how much to include, but the drive-by IPs make it feel like that the convictions are the only thing he's known for, and that doesn't seem right from our sources. Cheers! Elfabet (talk) 12:37, 24 May 2019 (UTC)