Talk:Mohanlal/Archive 1

Archive 1

Liablility

Please don't use the words like superstar, megastar as it's not good for the liability and autheniticity of wikipedia. Please remove them. Use something like popular actor etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuppattar (talk • contribs) 17:05, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

The use of tags like 'superstar', 'megastarmegapower star' etc are specific popular nicknames conferred upon specific actors by the south indian film industry. Most iconic south Indian actors have a specific version of such tags. To my knowledge, the tag 'superstar' is most commonly used for Tamil actor Rajinikanth. can anyone can identify and reference the correct tag for Mohanlal so that it can be corrected in the article? Juneythomas (talk) 02:47, 26 April 2011 (UTC) . The Tag line used for Mohanlal is "The Complete Actor" Or "The Universal Star"

Image

Does someone have a good photo of Mohanlal? The present photo looks dull and is poorly taken and there is some other guy with him who looks like a weak body guard. July 17, 2009. 1821 hours IST.

New photo is needed Rahul Rdz (talk) 19:08, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Official Website

Changed to www.thecompleteactor.com Precambrian84 (talk) 09:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Talk

[...]the list on the article has only Malayalam language. It should have some Hindi language films too.—vedant (talk • contribs) 16:01, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Someone may wish to add something about the recent criticism of Mohanlal for his "promotion" of alchoholic beverages. I read about it at this site: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6364165.stm. Just a thought. Malbolge 06:02, 17 February 2007 (GMT)

Georgekalathoor (talk) 16:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC) Georgekalathoor (talk) 16:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

POV

A lot of POV comments below the heading "Criticism".I am adding a POV tag.--Sahodaran 10:14, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I have made some changes. How is it now? If you stll feel it is POV, just edit it.--Raghu 13:48, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

yeah,its okay as of now.but the things that come under crticisms in the present article is something that praises lal.the content is somewhat okay,but it should not come under the heading Criticisms.Also,I think lal is behind Aashirwad productions and Antony Perumbaavoor.So why dont we mention it?--Sahodaran 06:15, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Criticisms don't have to be negative (shortcomings) always, so even the praises should be written under Criticisms. I have listed two negative criticisms that I know. If you don't have any objection I will remove the POV tag.--Raghu 15:43, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I think it is misleading to say - Four time national award winner. There were only two National awards for best actor and one Jury's special mention. I think the fourth one is for the best film. Better decent to say two best actor awards and a jury's special mention. (The special mention is not award) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.115.69.130 (talk) 18:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Date of Birth

I 've changed Mohanlal's DOB form May 21, 1950 to May 21, 1960, which is what is mentioned in IMDb. Additionally, i have seen several interviews where the actor says that he was born in 1960. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Will231982 (talk • contribs) 15:00, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Date of birth needs to be changed to May 21, 1960 refer to official site mohanlal.org — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.63.120 (talk) 16:28, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Filmography

The filmography done like Kamal Haasan looks spiff. separated by years(years come first and then title. Extra subheadings like as miscellaneous crew, and respective detailsactivevoid 15:29, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

If you've got the time and patience, go for it! :-) -- thunderboltz^{a.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK}07:11, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Picture

The picture in the infobox should show his face without make-up so people who have seen films other than the one depicted can recognize the guy and say now I know him. It also just seems like good form. Jztinfinity 14:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Please use new photo Rahul Rdz (talk) 19:08, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

My edits

I've solved the picture problem. I also accumulated relevant pics from other articles and posted them here. The filmography section need to be tabulated. I request experts' help in this area--Anoopkn 08:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Reordered in order to wikify the article--Anoopkn 14:25, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup

I've wikified the references and cleaned up the article a bit. Still needs a lot of work. --vi5in^[talk] 18:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

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Merge

I suggest immediate merging of this articles Naveenpf 03:47, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Article cleaned up

I have tried to clean up this article"Liquor promotion puts Mohanlal in trouble", remove the peacock terms. It is time we gave Mohanlal proper respect by attributing a quality article to him. Please follow Wikipedia's encyclopediac tone and do not praise him sky high here. It will only look ridiculus in the eyes of people who don't know him. Kindly help improve the article by bringing in a lot more credible references, criticisms and quality photographs. raghulka 03:45, 07 July 2007 (UTC)

Merge Mohanlal with Mohan Lal

I suggest merging Mohanlal with Mohan Lal. Mohan Lal is a probably a better page with better facts, so I propose closing down Mohanlal and merging it with Mohan Lal

I have merged the theatre and the filmography section from Mohan Lal into this already. The rest of the matter in Mohan Lal contains a lot of superlative tones and will be considered POV. I feel this one looks much more neat now. It contains all the details in the other one arranged in it's proper section. Although we are all Mohanlal fans, I feel this article should look neutral and not read like a fan's admiration, so that it will gain respect from outsiders. Mohanlal is such a colosuss that he doesn't need a fan's adulation to make him look respectable. Just reading through the list of characters that he has portrayed leaves you in awe. Let's leave it understated. Mukesh.mv 07:18, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I have moved your link to the other article to the See Also section at the end. Mukesh.mv 11:47, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

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Is it mohanlal or mohan lal?

Hi, I have a question. I always thought Lal was the surname(second name) and Mohan was the first name. am i right or wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.159.43.157 (talk) 11:27, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Lal is not his surname. It is part of his name. In Kerala the surname is usually the name of the house or family to which he belongs. Don't know what that is for Mohanlal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.196.212.2 (talk) 09:03, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

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Reverted removal of filmfare & state awards

I found that these categoris are deleted from the infobox with no explanations. I reverted the deletion--Anoopkn (talk) 12:09, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Awards Page

High time to have page like this: List of Mammootty’s awards, honors and recognitions. Some body please help--Anoopkn 08:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

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Introduction

I removed a number of POV statements and original research from introduction. Introoduction should just give objective facts..The rest including the peacock terms are better left to some fan websites Zencv (talk) 11:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Disambiguation

There is a MP politican named Mohan Lal, while this is Mohanlal. Is it possible to kill the forwarding to have a Mohan Lal page because the Mandla (Lok Sabha constituency) page forwards here now. Lihaas (talk) 03:44, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, in the "Golden Period" section, the last statement says "This was also a period when father-son duo of Thilakan and Mohanlal had a great impact on malayalam film industry and especially on fans of both actors." This needs to be clarified as an "on-screen father-son duo", not in real life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.0.43.248 (talk) 20:45, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

The criticism section

You can see that in the section, there is non criticism involved and all the quotes are in praise of Mohanlal. I am going to change the name of the section to Quotes on Mohanlal. --Anoopkn (talk) 11:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

DoB of Mohanlal

There is an inconsistency in the date of birth of Mohanlal. In the opening sentence the birth year mentioned is 1958. However, in the infobox it is 1960. Can someone provide the correct date of birth with a possible source? Salih (talk) 17:00, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Done Salih, though its very difficult to source it to reliable third party Zencv ^{Lets discuss} 21:56, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Salih (talk) 04:39, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

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Image

There is an image of Mohanlal in ml wiki, which may be uploaded to Commons considering the license. Can somebody help on this?--Rameshng (talk) 13:07, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Mohanlalonline.com

www.mohanlalonline.com is the most popular website dedicated to actor Mohanlal since last 7 years. External link to this website is getting removed blaming that it is a spam link. I don't have any intention to advertise this site on wikipedia, only intension is to share information to Mohanlal fans. Considering other links on the same wikipedia article, i feel it is not fair to remove only this website form external links. Please advice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayavis (talk • contribs) 17:35, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

No, it cannot. It is spam, and it will be removed. Unofficial websites are not allowed, and as you can quite clearly see on the disclaimer page, it is not official. Continue adding it and I will report you for spam.— Dædαlus ^Contribs 21:50, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Query

Who is the guy standing behind Lalettan in the picture "Mohanlal at AMMA meeting" ? Anyone knows"? Axxn (talk) 09:24, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I too was wondering the same! --JovianEye (talk) 18:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Martinkjose, 13 August 2010

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Testimonials

• Amitabh Bachchan - " Lal's style of acting enlightened me about the new phase of acting"
• Rajni Kanth - " I sometimes feel jealous seeing the easiness of Lal's acting... Just can't dream of doing some of his characters"
• Kamal Hassan - " Lal's subtlety in dancing without mastering it astonishes even an eminent dancer "
• Mammootty - " A fantastic , marvellous and an unpredictable actor"
• Shah Rukh Khan - " Mohanlal is quite simply a amazing actor for me"
• Mani Ratnam - " forget to say cut when I watch this man perform in front of the camera... So my advise to all directors would be to be careful directing Mohanlal "
• Ram Gopal Varma - " I feel there is no other actor like Mohanlal in India who satisfies the expectations of a director"
• Adoor Gopalakrishnan - " Mohanlal owns a rare acting style and his peculiarity of acting and versatility puts him in a different league of artists"
• Shaji N. Karun - "" We haven't expoited Mohanlal's talent yet"
• M. T. Vasudevan Nair - " Mohanlal is a privilage not only to malayalam cinema but also to world cinema"
• Priyadarshan - "Mohanlal is the best actor India has ever produced"
• Jagathy Sreekumar - "I am always comfortable working with Lal since he is the best actor I know and I try to rise upto him"
• Madhu - "The presence of a versatile actor like Mohanlal is a matter of pride for me"
• Suneil Shetty - "Mohanlal is the god of Indian cinema"

Martinkjose (talk) 03:49, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but is there a specific request somewhere here? Please see above/previous response to request-template.

Shearonink (talk) 04:03, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Cleaning up the Film Career section

I feel like the Film Career section is full of descriptions and some peacock terms, and resembles a fansite more than it should. As such, I'm writing a draft of a new version of the section at User:Arcendet/Mohanlal. I'm trying to make it read in a fluid way and trim it. I am planning to replace the section in the article with a completed version of the draft if I get positive feedback or no feedback, but I am open to discussion. Arcendet (talk) 18:39, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly support the removal of peacock terms from this section. I've skimmed your work-in-progress at User:Arcendet/Mohanlal and it looks like an improvement so far. Only thing I noticed was a continuity error at the top of the "Later years" section: the first sentence refers to "this image", but it is not clear which image is meant, since the preceding sentence was removed.

Thanks for taking this project on. AtticusX (talk) 22:40, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. The error should be fixed now. I believe I am done with the rewording - does the page look like it could use more work? Arcendet (talk) 20:46, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I think it still needs some cleaning up. For instance, you replaced "lack of realism" with "lack of reality", which doesn't make sense. On a separate note, maybe it's because I don't know the whole picture, but it looks to me like you have removed a bunch of non-peacock content along with the peacockery, stuff that seemed relevant and notable to his career. If you like I can join you in editing the draft, but only if you're comfortable with me possibly restoring a few things you've deleted. AtticusX (talk) 22:52, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Sure, that would be great. Arcendet (talk) 10:59, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I've now looked at your edit, and I agree that it looks ready to go live. I am now replacing the section in the article with the draft. Arcendet (talk) 16:02, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Additional citations

I removed the BLP sources tag after adding citations wherever citation needed tag was posted.--Anoopkn (talk) 18:30, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

pov tag

I'm not a sadist. This article has lot of info but lacks sources. Alos it has been written like a fan site. take steps to improve the article and once the issues have been solved, the tag will be removed.Vensatry (talk) 04:24, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Vensatry, it's not helpful when you make general statements like it's written like a fan site. I do not feel that the article is badly written, it is just like any other South Indian actor's page on Wikipedia. So, come with the specific issues. Salih (talk) 11:19, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

editing section title

Hi, i think that the section in this article under the name 'as an ambassador' is quite inappropriate for the tone of an encyclopedia article. Wouldn't it be better to have it read 'Philanthropic activities' instead? Juneythomas (talk) 22:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

editing section title

Hi, i think that the section in this article under the name 'as an ambassador' is quite inappropriate for the tone of an encyclopedia article. Wouldn't it be better to have it read 'Philanthropic activities' instead? Juneythomas (talk) 22:25, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Golden era of Malayalam cinema ?

In many articles related to Malayalam cinema, including this one, there is a reference that the period from 1986-1995 is known as the Golden Age of Malayalam cinema. However, on going through Google search results, I cannot find the source of this particular claim. There are many websites which tell you the same thing, but all of them are copied from wikipedia and/or are not reliable sources. On the other hand, these are some reliable references that I found:

NDTV : The 90s, often dubbed as the golden era of Malayalam cinema, witnessed Mohanlal portraying challenging characters and breaking many stereotypes in films ([1])

Gireesh Kasaravalli: “The period from 1960s to 1970s was the golden era of Malayalam cinema according to me. [2]

The Hindu: Melodies of the Eighties and the Nineties – the golden age of Malayalam cinema, always evoke nostalgia. [3]

The Hindu: "In the 1980’s and 90’s you acted one great role after another" "Mammootty and I were lucky we could act in films made by the great masters in what was the golden period of Malayalam cinema. " [4]

The Hindu: During the golden age of Malayalam cinema - the 70's and 80's - the script and story-telling were the most important factors instead of the gimmicks and superstar presentations of today. [5]

The Hindu: Never before, even during the golden period of Malayalam films during the Eighties, has the industry seen such good times [6]

The Hindu: Hariharan points out that during the golden age of Malayalam films (70's and 80's), [7]

Each person seems to have his own opinion regarding the golden period of Malayalam cinema. Can anyone find a reliable source that 1986-1995 is widely accepted as the golden period?

Shekure (talk) 05:32, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I would recommend rephrase Golden Age. Might be Economic Age. Its the usage is just artistic. Please consider revising the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Almithra (talk • contribs) 21:36, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Lede is a total mess

The Lede as of now([8]) looks so messed up. The May 21, 2011 version is very succinct, by far ([9]). i am going for an RV unless objected. Arjun^codename024 08:24, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Could you please explain "messed up"? It summarises the article and provides more info than the May 21st one. Moreover, I based it on FA/GA like Preity Zinta & Rajnikanth. If you have suggestions, we can work on it, rather than reverting the lead to an older version.

^MyNameIsShekure 18:06, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

FTR, i did not revert the lede or delete any squat for that matter. I thought just facts would do better than an editorialized one. Arjun^codename024 11:48, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Infobox updated

I have updated the infobox details with more vital informations. All details are strongly sourced from his IMDB biography. Please do not remove empty parameters I have left. Leave them for future editors to populate. Thank You. --bhavi.. (talk) 08:05, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Please update the occupation. He is a writer too.

Bijz (talk) 19:49, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

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It raid

Should there be a write up on the it raid?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.202.23.242 (talk) 12:41, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 January 2013

PLEASE ADD THE BELOW DESCRIPTION He is widely acclaimed as an actor in Mollywood industry and is well known for his versatility in acting, earning him the name The Complete Actor. Subhashmail4u (talk) 08:46, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 04:59, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2014

Please change a mistake in the section 2010-present. At the end of the section, there is a line "which unites the titans Mohanlal-Mammootty onscreen". As per the source and latest news reports, actor Mammootty is not in the film and not yet confirmed and not keen to take the project. And overall this is not a magazine article or film gossip column to put unconfirmed rumours. Remove it. 106.77.170.205 (talk) 14:48, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Not done: - The claim is verified to a reliable source (click here). What latest news reports say that they are not both together? A link to such reports? Yes, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a film gossip column and we need our contents to be verified against reliable sources. If you've a source that supports the claim made by you, please open the request changing 'yes' to 'no' in "{{edit semi-protected|Mohanlal|answered=yes}}" template. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 09:59, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, there are sources ([10] [11] [12] [13]). Only Mohanlal is confirmed, not any others. Requesting to remove it. 106.76.34.28 (talk) 10:41, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. There seems to be some discussion here as to whether this is inclusion worthy and whether or not there are sufficient reliable sources. Please finish that discussion before requesting that an edit be made on your behalf. I'll also note that you probably won't need to submit another request for this as the editor you are discussing it with, Anupmehra, is capable of making the edit for you should there be CONSENSUS to. Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 16:50, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

• I've removed the sentence in question per WP:BLPGOSSIP and WP:BLPSOURCES. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 11:39, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2014

Please add a line in the lead. "He is often called as The complete actor/referred in media as the complete actor or sometimes described as the complete actor" or anything like that. Because he is titled so by print and news medias, from film personals, also in film title cards, posters etc. ([14][15][16]). 106.76.34.28 (talk) 11:11, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 16:52, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

add a line in the lead section "he is referred in the media as the complete actor" source already given. 106.76.36.181 (talk) 11:01, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

WP:LEAD is a summary of the article. Before we call him a complete actor in the lead, we'll be required to write few lines about the same in the body of the article. And, please note that 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence'. We need multiple high-quality mainstream sources as such The Hindu, The Indian Express, Deccan Herald, etc. instead bollywoodlife.com, and chitramala.in. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 12:03, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Mohanlal/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Good article , but lacks in certain areas. ARUNKUMAR P.R 10:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 10:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 00:18, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Removal of sourced positives by Ambeinghari

The user removed sourced the following sourced facts:

Film critics, contemporaries, and other experts consider him as one of the greatest actors in Indian cinema for his versatile and natural acting.[3] Widely regarded as a cultural icon,[4][5] he also holds a matinee idol status in the popular culture of Kerala.[6][7]

Kindly check Wiki articles of Ingmar Bergman, Marlon Brando, Meryl Streep, John Williams, Michael Jackson etc., which retain sourced positive facts in their opening paragraphs. None of those statements in their respective articles are considered 'non-neutral' because they are all facts. Now, please don't argue that Brando was a global star and Mohanlal is confined to the Malayalam audience. The first claim is not about his stardom, or fan following, but 'acting'. Both were 'actors' in the same medium, 'cinema'. As an 'actor' Mohanlal is nationally acclaimed as one of the greatest in the country.

Secondly, in Kerala, he is a cultural icon and holds a matinee idol status. Kindly refrain from removing these sourced facts. Requesting those paragraphs to be re-instated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.249.188.97 (talk) 22:15, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Thirdly, the user 'Ambeinghari' is indulging in juvenile fan rivalry here. His previous edits show him as a fan of actor Mammootty, an equally important star with legendary status in Malayalam cinema. The user had contradicted his 'puffery' claims here by supporting them in Mammootty's page arguing that they are sourced. Neither is puffery. 115.249.188.97 (talk) 22:31, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

The introduction of "matinee idol status" language irritates me as someone who has frequently encountered the insatiable need of Indian film fans to present subjective labels as absolutes. "The film declared as all-time blockbuster status!" "The film declared as super-hit!" It is profoundly irritating and I can't get behind that. I don't specifically object to describing critics' fondness for Mohanlal, but that needs to be presented in such a way that it is still neutral. And I know that Hammersoft has some thoughts about this, with previous concerns surrounding language. Some media and critics might consider him one of the greatest actors, but it toes the line of puffery to say broadly that "XYZ consider him one of the greatest actors". WP:WEASEL should be considered when attempting this sort of thing. Though WP:WEASEL does say that the use of "many critics consider"-style language is not automatically weasel-wording, we need to be sure that the sources explicitly say that "many critics consider" him this way. Too many times I've seen people cherrypick positive movie reviews, then summarize those positive reviews "critical response was mostly positive". We can't do that. The references have to be explicit, and we can't extrapolate a generality based on cherrypicked positive opinions. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:22, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

• • Matinee idol is not a 'title' or 'tag' given by fans. It's a term in usage(Check: Matinee idol). Besides, if you think that it isn't appropriate, kindly remove it from this article: Rajinikanth. 115.249.188.97 (talk) 16:20, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
    • Secondly, why does the sentence about him being regarded as one of the finest in the country have to be removed every time? Those aren't 'tags' either. Besides, they aren't peacock terms. It's referred in third person. Kindly refer articles of Ingmar Bergman, Marlon Brando, Meryl Streep, John Williams, Michael Jackson etc. before making such removals. 115.249.188.97 (talk) 16:20, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

• The over the top superlatives giving labels that do not exist as actual awards or postings has to stop. Megastar, idol, what have you. It's nonsense, even if cited. About the best someone can do is say that this or that newspaper called him such and such, but it's hardly worth mentioning. What matters are true awards. --Hammersoft (talk) 23:55, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Matinee idol is not a 'title' or 'tag' given by fans. It's a term in usage (Check: Matinee idol). Besides, if you think that it isn't appropriate, kindly remove it from this article: Rajinikanth. 115.249.188.97 (talk) 16:20, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
• Hey 115.249.188.97, I'm the "imbecile" who removed the puffery. As has been pointed out to you numerous times before, WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS isn't an argument to keep crap here. You are welcome to remove puffery when you see it, as I've done here. You can help by doing so, rather than spreading puffery by revert waring. Thanks. --Hammersoft (talk) 23:29, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
• I'd also like to point out three different editors have removed that material now. Something tells me you juuuuust might be in the wrong here? --Hammersoft (talk) 00:27, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
  • • I already said that, fans of actor Mammootty are indulging in juvenile fan rivalry here by removing sentences. Do some basic research about the person before jumping in haste to label something as puffery, to play the 'ideal Wikipedian'. Did you even bother to check the Wikipedia article of Meryl Streep or Ingmar Bergman? 115.249.188.97 (talk) 14:10, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
      • I'll refer to WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS since you apparently didn't read it the last time I linked to it for you. I note we're now up to 4 editors who have removed this content. It is likely you will be blocked if you seek to continue your edit war. You are quite alone. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:28, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Lede text: "one of the greatest actors..."

I reverted this edit because I believe it runs afoul of WP:SYNTH. Going through these one by one:

• Our text: "Film critics, contemporaries, and other experts consider him as one of the greatest actors in Indian cinema for his versatile and natural acting."
  • The first source is a page that contains a complimentary review of Mohanlal's performance in Bharatham. I don't see where one word of our text is verified by this source.
  • The second source is a page that contains this reaction from Bollywood filmmaker Suniel Shetty: "He considers Mohanlal the God of cinema. He refused to comment on Mohanlal's acting saying it would be like a disciple commenting on his teacher." That's a lot better, but it doesn't verify the presence of the text "Film critics," "other experts," or "versatile and natural acting." I can't find anything else here specifically about Mohanlal's talent; other than a few general comments from others, this is a step-by-step recounting of a celebration for his 25th anniversary as an actor.
  • The third source, accessible via The Wayback Machine, is probably better, in that it talks about Mohanlal being "noted for his versatility, effortless acting." One problem with it though is that it doesn't verify the "one of the greatest actors" claim and even worse, it doesn't appear to be bylined so I don't know how reliable it is. Was this written by a critic, a person in the industry, or some other expert?
  • The fourth source calls him "one of Malayalam Cinema's greatest actors." Getting closer, but I could find literally nothing about the writer, Dhanya Shajan, anywhere on the internet outside of this article. If we have verification that the site, Sify.com, is professional, that could help, but I'd still have no idea if Shajan is a critic, industry worker, expert, or anything else.
  • The fifth source goes to a poll, indicating the admiration came from anonymous internet users. That confirms nothing.

The above constitutes the sourcing we have on whether or not Mohanlal is considered one of the greatest actors in Indian cinema for his acting. I don't think any of these sources reliably verify this claim.

The text "Widely regarded as a cultural icon" is next.

• The first source is an article regarding the high-crime region Mohanlal lives in; the only two references are the sentence "Mohanlal is one of the very few cultural icons in the state who have spoken out against the murder" and a caption that says the same exact thing.

• The second source refers to Mohanlal as a "cultural icon."

The "Widely regarded" claim is not verified and that means the "cultural icon" claim isn't verified either.

The text that Mohanlal "holds a matinee idol status in the popular culture of Kerala" goes to two reliable sources calling him a matinee idol but neither mentions Kerala. I have no issue with claiming he's an idol but restricting it to Kerala isn't sourced.

RunnyAmiga (talk) 16:41, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

I would also point out, since this seems to have been an issue with this user, that I didn't say any of the claims were false so insisting that they're true isn't going to solve anything. I believe them to be true but we have a higher standard for inclusion than "truth" here. RunnyAmiga (talk) 16:46, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

• The matinee idol status is at best misleading. That two media outlets refer to him as that does not make him such. There is no such title, no means of establishing it as verifiable other than saying "such-and-such media outlet calls him a matinee idol". Beyond that, it's a serious stretch and violates WP:PUFFERY. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:26, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

• @Hammersoft: The sources I'm seeing are The Economic Times and Gulf News, which both appear to be ironclad reliable. I don't know how either of those articles, especially the one from the Times, could seriously be perceived as using the term "matinee idol" to advertise on Mohanlal's behalf. If they're not advertising for him, how is transposing what they said us advertising for him?
• And I could be wrong. It just seems weird. In terms of popularity and prestige, Mohanlal is head-and-shoulders above almost every Indian film actor ever. Of course he doesn't have a title verifying this, any more than Denzel Washington or Leonardo DiCaprio are Officially Designated Hella Famous Actors. We need a pronouncement or we can't say someone is a huge star? Without adding information that this guy is supernova famous, how do we get across the gulf of difference between him and almost everybody else in Bollywood? RunnyAmiga (talk) 17:48, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

• There are plenty of other ways to speak of an actor without having to use made up terms that do not exist as an award. Meanwhile, in the lede of Denzel Washington are mentions of his actual awards. No puffery. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:02, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

What I'm trying to figure out is, are there ways to establish an actor's superstar status without using language that might run afoul of WP:PUFFERY? I'm skeptical that awards are, apparently, the only deciding factor. Arnold Schwarzenegger, at his peak, was more of a matinee idol, or movie star, or super famous person, or whatever else than five Denzel Washingtons but you probably don't need to look to see which of these two has more Academy Awards. And that's an honest question, because to me, the term "matinee idol" isn't particularly puffy, especially in cases like this where it's as established a truth as calling the sky blue. Is the Times advertising on Mohanlal's behalf when it calls him a "matinee idol?" (And why are we equating matinee idol to award-winning? Nobody knows what Eddie Redmayne looks like.) RunnyAmiga (talk) 23:03, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Per the article, matinee idol is not a term in common usage anymore, and is even "faintly pejorative", so those are two more reasons why we should consider avoiding it. And, Oxford dictionary calls it dated, and describes the meaning as "A handsome actor admired for his good looks." Is that what we're trying to say? That Mohanlal is widely considered to be one of the best actors in Malayalam cinema and that he is widely admired to the point of adulation for being handsome? I do not think so. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:18, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, I went back ten years ago to look at this article from then [17]. "Among the very best", "one of the most natural actors" etc. The dripping praise heaped on this article and apparently other Malayalam cinema articles is endemic. It might just be cultural. Regardless, our editing policies must hold sway. WP:NEUTRAL, WP:V, WP:RS, etc. don't take a holiday just because it's Malayalam cinema. --Hammersoft (talk) 12:39, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

@Hammersoft: When it comes down to it, I have no major issue with deferring towards "delete it" if we're concerned with puffy language. I might go a bit harder when it comes to stuff like this for Arnold Schwarzenegger, Denzel Washington, or whoever but here, it is a massive problem: tons of Bollywood-related articles are under pending-changes review and when one of them comes up, it's clearly because of either people's insistence on puffing the articles' subjects up or issues with users who aren't fully fluent in English. RunnyAmiga (talk) 22:19, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Mohanlal

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Mohanlal's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "cannes":

• From Vidya Balan: Kulkarni, Onkar (29 June 2013). "Vidya Balan on Ghanchakkar and her first Cannes outing". The Indian Express. Retrieved 1 July 2013.
• From Vanaprastham: "Festival de Cannes: Vanaprastham". festival-cannes.com. Retrieved 10 October 2009.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 23:47, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Controversies

In 2012, during an income tax raid, seized several real estate documents, illegally kept elephant tusks were recovered from Mohanlal's house in Kochi.

Mohanlal's series of inflammatory fights with prominent writer Sukumar Azhikode from request for leaving the matinee idolatry field invited considerable public attention in Kerala society.

In 2015, following a public outcry over the dismal performance of his band Lalisom at the 35th National Games inaugural, Mohanlal returned to the authorities Rs.1.83 crore given to him for the show due to lip-syncing performance which invited widespread criticism not only from film and music circles, but also from the political fraternity. Meanwhile for actress Shobhana and her team of 40 dancers and live orchestra were paid Rs. 25 lakh.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.227.56.67 (talk) 02:17, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

References

image

Change the image of Mohanlal which is not more attractive. There are lot of images are available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vishnukanth919 (talk • contribs) 11:56, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

• @Vishnukanth919: Do you have an image in mind? Please be aware that most images on the Internet are copyrighted, and not acceptable for use here as we use free licensed content wherever possible. Also, when adding new threads to a talk page, please do so at the bottom of the page. Thanks, --Hammersoft (talk) 14:43, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

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Producer

change ((producer)) to ((Film producer|producer))

 Done Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 05:02, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2018

Please add this to the first paragraph of the article so it can be displayed when 'Mohanlal' is searched.

The highest paid multi-talented actor of Malayalam film industry, Mohanlal, is listed amongst the greatest actors not just in India, but also the world.\

SOURCE: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/malayalam/movies/photo-features/mohanlal-lesser-known-facts/a-new-release-every-15-days/photostory/48683866.cms Mirrormirror12345 (talk) 06:15, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: Aside from the amount of WP:PEACOCK language in that sentence, we do not rewrite articles to make the subjects look better on Google. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or promotion. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 13:54, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

But that's still relevant, not advertising. 2605:6000:890F:5F00:B91B:4ECD:287:A45E (talk) 22:36, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

We don't present opinions as facts and we are not here to lavish praise and admiration upon our article subjects. And yes, the proposed text above absolutely sounds like an advertisement. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:49, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Philanthropist

The charity works done under the viswasanthi foundation Amal8606 (talk) 19:21, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2019

His birth name is Mohanlal Viswanathan Nair. He is a Nair. Please include that. 141.58.17.107 (talk) 09:49, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Tolly4bolly 11:08, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

No it's not. His birth name and given name is simply Mohanlal. "Viswanathan Nair" is his father's name. There's no Nair attached to his birth name/given name. 2405:204:D18F:439:294B:99C3:C47D:1892 (talk) 10:25, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2020

Please edit the date of birth of Sri. Mohanlal in the side column to 60 years. 217.164.103.81 (talk) 01:19, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

This will update automatically when Wikipedia's time zone crosses to 21 May 2020. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:55, 21 May 2020 (UTC)