Talk:Monastery Saint Claire (Nazareth)

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 10:04, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

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Our Lady of the Fright

• ... that the Patriarchy really does control the sisters of the Monastery Saint Claire in Nazareth?
  Source: Morlet, Hélène (5 March 2015), "'Where There Is a Franciscan There Is a Poor Clare...'", Official site, Jerusalem: Custodia Terrae Sanctae. "The sisters are not alone... If the monastery is managed independently, the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem delegates a priest to monitor and support the community. This priest is usually a Franciscan by virtue of the existing links between the two Orders."
  • ALT1: ... that St Charles de Foucauld produced most of his spiritual writings while working for the Poor Clares in Nazareth?
    Source: Shapiro, Judith (January 1981), "Ideologies of Catholic Missionary Practice in a Postcolonial Era", Comparative Studies in Society and History, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, vol. 23, no. 1, p. 133. "In [1897], he went to Nazareth where he spent several years as a servant to a convent of Poor Clares, living alone in a small hut outside their gates. It was during this time that most of his spiritual writings were produced and that he studied for the priesthood."
  • ALT2: ... that the Monastery St. Claire in Nazareth, Israel, is also known as the Convent of Mary's Fear? Source: Samuel, Rinna (1969), Israel and the Holy Land, New York: Golden Press, p. 110. "The Convent of Mary's Fear, where Mary watched an angry Nazarene crowd drive Jesus to the precipice after He had preached in a local synagogue, is in the southern section of the city, near a rocky slope with a projecting ridge from which Jesus was to be cast."
  • ALT3: ... that the original Monastery St. Claire in Nazareth was emptied by the Ottomans but is now used to help learning disabled Jewish and Arab children?
    Source: "St. Clara's Monastery", Official site, Floriana: Archdiocese of Malta, 2022. "The Poor Clares came to Malta at the beginning of the first World War when they were expelled from Nazareth..."
    Scuola Sacra Famiglia – Nazareth, Nazareth: Don Guanella Family, 2022. (Italian) "Nel 1974 viene inviato il primo Servo della Carità (Guanelliano), don Ugo Sansi, che individua nell'ex convento delle Clarisse, da anni abbandonato e ormai fatiscente, il luogo migliore per istituirvi un'opera in favore dei disabili di Nazareth e dei dintorni..."
  • ALT4: ... that, working at Nazareth's Monastery St. Claire, Charles de Foucauld gained the reputation of "a servant who dressed like a tramp, spoke and wrote as a man of learning, and prayed like a saint"?
    Source: Lechmere, Joscelyne (February 1934), "An Apostle of the Sahara: Pere Charles de Jesus (Vicomte de Foucauld)", The Irish Monthly, Dublin: Irish Jesuit Provincialate, vol. 62, no. 728, p. 86. "The Abbess of Poor Clares at Jerusalem, having heard from her Sisters at Nazareth of a servant who dressed like a tramp, spoke and wrote as a man of learning, and prayed like a saint, the former expressed a desire to see him..."
  • ALT5: ... that the Poor Clares of Nazareth speak French & Spanish to each other, Italian to the monks, English to visitors, Arabic to neighbors, and Hebrew to local officials?
    Source: Morlet, Hélène (5 March 2015), "'Where There Is a Franciscan There Is a Poor Clare...'", Official site, Jerusalem: Custodia Terrae Sanctae. "The challenges are great for the new community. Language learning is a necessary first step: French and Spanish to better communicate within the convent, English as an international language, Italian for daily Masses celebrated by the Franciscans of Nazareth, Arabic for neighbours and friends of the community, Hebrew for official documents..."
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  • Comment: Kindly don't add extraneous links to the hooks.
    Don't worry: You only need to check the hook you like best.

Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 11:43, 5 June 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

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• Cited: - ?
• Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Approving ALT3 and ALT5 since they seem the most interesting. The article looks really great, nice job! The sources all look good, AGF on the Italian translation but it seems right. Minor edit: I removed Israel from ALT5 because it doesn't seem necessary to specify which Nazareth. BuySomeApples (talk) 20:42, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

• @BuySomeApples: I can't take ALT0? :( I do love quirkies... (also, hi!) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 11:21, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Y Hi @Theleekycauldron: ALT0 also works, and it's good to see you too! BuySomeApples (talk) 23:51, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Arabic names

The Arabic is available on these signs but I can't even read them well enough to transcribe the letters. — LlywelynII 12:10, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

I added it - I'm not sure if that Arabic translation has ever actually been used (it's totally literal, weird syntax and a really odd way of spelling Clare), but that is what is on the sign. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:03, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Tremor Hill (Hebrew: גבעת הרעידה, Givʿat HaRʿida)

Is this the locally-used name of the hill? This map calls it "Tell Deir el Banat" (translation "Hill of the Daughter's Convent").

On a separate note google maps labels the old convent as being part of the Little Brothers of Jesus. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:46, 11 July 2022 (UTC)