Talk:Monopoly (game)

"No calculation could be made before the choice"

How was this supposed to be enforced? I can't see it being possible for other players to determine reliably whether the player who landed on the Income Tax space performs a quick mental calculation at that point.

I've never come across this rule before, as the British version has always had the flat £200 rate. But I once came across a computer implementation, based on the US edition, which automatically charges $200 or 10% (IIRC) of net worth, whichever is lower. Was this ever the official rule? (That version also had strange rules like requiring you to decide to use a GOOJF card before rolling the dice, meaning you couldn't possibly use it to bail out after 3 failed attempts to get out by rolling a double.) — Smjg (talk) 18:40, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

No, the official rule is $200 or 10%, before calculating exactly how much 10% is. There is no prohibition on someone quickly estimating what 10% would be before choosing, or keeping an estimate in mind; the prohibition is on sitting and calculating how much 10% is before deciding which to do. The point is to prevent the game from taking even longer. Jtrevor99 (talk) 21:14, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

@Jtrevor99: The official rule is $200 or 10%? So the statements in the article that this is specific to older versions of the game are wrong? Furthermore, this doesn't address the question of whether what I said ever was the official rule in any version of the board game.

You appear to miss the point: unless somebody in the game has telepathic powers, how can they tell whether a player is performing a calculation? Furthermore, the distinction between "quickly estimating" and "sitting and calculating" seems to have a big grey area. I don't suppose you have a copy of the rulebook or know where to find one, in order to confirm the exact wording of the rule? — Smjg (talk) 10:25, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

I didn't miss your point; it appears you may have missed mine. The point is that you are not allowed to calculate your net worth to decide which option to take. If you happen to have a good idea what it is beforehand, or can quickly estimate it, that's fine. But you cannot sit and calculate it precisely, and then decide. The rule book reads: "If you land here you have two options. You may estimate your tax at $200 and pay the Bank, or you may pay 10% of your total worth to the Bank. Your total worth is all your cash on hand, printed prices of mortgaged and unmortgaged properties, and cost price of all buildings you own. You must decide which option you will take before you add up your total worth." Jtrevor99 (talk) 15:22, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Jtrevor99: Therein lies the problem – as I said, there's a big grey area between calculating it precisely and quickly estimating it. This must have caused a lot of trouble in the US national championship prior to 2008, and in the world championship if this was ever played to this rule. — Smjg (talk) 11:37, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Not really. The intent is to not slow down the game. Precise calculation at the time of making a decision requires a pause. Quick estimation does not. That's the difference. Jtrevor99 (talk) 13:32, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

I can confirm from having personally interviewed many players from the 2003 and earlier US Championships that the 10% rule did not really slow things down much when players chose that option. On the rare occasion, it could be used strategically to slow gameplay down when players were played under timed conditions to draw things out and reduce the number of turns that players would taking. Tostie14 (talk) 17:24, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

While that may be true, I would posit the rule is aimed at preventing further slowdown of casual games. Championship play is likely not the best measure of the effectiveness of this rule, as in such a setting I would expect players keep a running total of their approximate net worth to aid strategy. Regardless of its effectiveness or purpose, it is part of the rule set which is the key point. Jtrevor99 (talk) 19:29, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

@Jtrevor99: But it doesn't make sense to have it as a rule if it's ambiguous and unenforceable. In the championships, in the event of a dispute as to whether the player had begun a mental calculation of net worth before making a decision, how would it be resolved? Or did the championships use a more well-defined version of the rule, such as a time limit between the dice landing on the value that reaches the Income Tax space and announcing one's choice? — Smjg (talk) 09:38, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

It doesn’t matter whether it makes sense, or how it’s actually utilized in championship or casual play. Nor does the underlying intent matter. All that matters is it is part of the rule set, and Hasbro intentionally left it open to interpretation. Jtrevor99 (talk) 16:53, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

@Jtrevor99: Whether it matters to you is irrelevant. The point is that people will read the article, see that this statement makes no sense, and query it. I was one of those people. Furthermore, the current statement is neither a direct quote from the rulebook nor exactly semantically equivalent. Moreover, do you have a source for your claim that "Hasbro intentionally left it open to interpretation"?

It would be nice if we can find some information about how this rule was interpreted/enforced at the championships. But maybe the best we can do at the moment is to explicitly quote the rule. — Smjg (talk) 11:16, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

?? Why would it matter in any way to me personally? That makes no sense. My statement was objectively factual: it is part of Hasbro’s rule set. The reason does not matter. There is no point in continuing this discussion. Jtrevor99 (talk)| Jtrevor99 (talk) 11:25, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Localized public giant boards

Some cities have giant Monopoly boards in a park, or hold annual events involving such a giant board. Should those be added to the localized by region/city? Should they be listed separately from the tabletop versions? See Draft:Richlandopoly for example. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 15:55, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

• Monopoly in the Square - London (limited event attraction) - https://www.campaignlive.com/article/uks-largest-monopoly-board-london/1386414
• Suisun City, California https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/board-game-lovers-come-out-to-play-on-worlds-biggest-monopoly-board-in-suisun-city/ https://caringmagazine.org/suisun-kroc-world-record-attempt/ https://www.dailyrepublic.com/all-dr-news/solano-news/local-features/local-lifestyle-columns/bygone-businesses-abound-in-fairfield-monopoly-board-game/ https://www.wwlp.com/news/top-stories/salvation-army-may-have-built-largest-monopoly-board-in-the-world/
• Monopoly in the Park - San Jose, California, United States https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/03/01/san-jose-edition-of-monopoly-is-coming-what-should-be-on-it

• Woman creates life-sized Monopoly game board (private, Virginia) https://www.nwaonline.com/news/2020/aug/29/woman-creates-life-sized-monopoly-game-board/

• Monopoly Lifesized (more of a Monopoly-themed attraction, London) https://secretldn.com/monopoly-lifesized-game/

Another option would be to have a section in this article for giant-sized Monopoly boards, and Lifesized would be moved to related attractions. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 22:16, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Android etc versions for phones etc.

Several licenced versions exist, but I can find no acceptable references as yet. 14.202.240.20 (talk) 14:33, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Rollback request

Can someone with rollback permissions please roll back this page to the last good version, before GfTheHistorian vandalized it earlier today? Perhaps AngusWOOF (talk · contribs)? Thank you. Jtrevor99 (talk) 01:42, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done DonIago (talk) 02:42, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Jtrevor99 (talk) 05:27, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

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