Talk:Monpa people

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Wait a second. Are you talking about 45,000 Monpa living in the Tawang and Kameng districts of Arunachal Pradesh and another 5,000 on the Tibetan side in China? If so, wouldn't you cite the Monpa on the Indian side? Or is this part of the territorial boundary dispute and Wikipedia has accepted PRC's claims over AP? This should be corrected, as the Monpa would be quite cross if they learned they were included on in the PRC. -- 64.231.33.54 07:42, 30 November 2004

There is also a discrepancy in this article claiming that it was China venturing south of the McMahon line which caused India to retaliate, setting off the 1962 war. This is a blatant reversal of the facts - Indian patrols stationed north of the McMahon line were first to attack the Chinese outposts, and after diplomatic protests and requests to negotiate, the Chinese opted to retaliate by advancing to their claim lines, followed by a retreat back behind the McMahon line, probably due to supply issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.115.194.84 (talk) 09:30, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

"related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 20:38, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Good source for material

I came across a good source of information for this article from the Centre for Bhutan Studies, which is claimed to be the first indepth study into the Monpa people of Bhutan, and seems to be chocked full of information which can be used for this article. The location is The Vital Link: Monpas and Their Forests (Published 2004) --Россавиа ^Диалог 13:06, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Ethnic subgroups

Takpa people, Chugpa tribe and Lishipa tribe ought to be better linked from this article. Perhaps a section on ethnic subdivisions would be warranted. --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 22:25, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

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Population in China

Why does this article say there are about 25,000 Monpa in China, yet the List of ethnic groups in China says there were 10,561 in 2010? Please fix this discrepancy. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 23:35, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Now the article states that there are 9,000 Monpa in China, and also 10,561 Monpa in China. Why is there still a discrepancy? Please fix. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 15:58, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Now the article states that there are about 25,000 Monpa in China, and also that there were 10,561 in 2010. Please fix. 98.123.38.211 (talk) 18:22, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

According to the Chinese-language Wikipedia, 11,143 Monpa people are under Chinese de facto control (2020 statistics). 98.123.38.211 (talk) 18:23, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

History section

The history section seems more interested in Chinese propaganda on Tawang rather than to say anything about the Monpa people. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:16, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Glennznl apparently wants this content. The WP:ONUS on them to argue for it, because it is clearly not about Monpa people. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:13, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: Hello, please explain how the text is "Chinese propaganda". I don't quite see it. --Glennznl (talk) 19:26, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Can you see pro-China content having been added here, without any concern for sources? "Britain and its colonial authorities"? "Chinese Tibet? "China continued to claim the pre-McMahon border? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:54, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Even earlier content was corrupt. "Direct rule over the area from Lhasa" was supposedly established "in the 17th century" Is there any mention of 17th century in the source? Even though this is not even a valid source for history? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:10, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: Hello. "Chinese Tibet", Tibet was officially a part of Qing China, so I don't see a problem in using that term, especially in comparison with "British India". "China continued to claim the pre-McMahon border" Well they do, do they not? The content should be verified with sources, I do agree with that, and what is not directly found in the source can be removed. --Glennznl (talk) 08:23, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for accepting that the content that is not directly found in the source should be removed. But the issue I raised (six months ago) is that content that does not "say anything about the Monpa people" should be removed. What is your view on that? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:38, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: Well apparently the Monpa people got divided by this border, so the border dispute can be briefly mentioned, but we don't need a long history lesson like the page has now. We can shorten it up a bit. --Glennznl (talk) 11:51, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Ok, do you want to take a crack at it, so that we don't end up edit warring again? I am sure you will pay due attention to WP:V. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:25, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: I just did a first attempt. I did not yet remove all the unsourced text, because not much would be left of the history section, without first adding more new sourced text. --Glennznl (talk) 18:31, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

McMahon Line at Tawang

Thanks. Unsourced content doesn't bother me that much because it can always be removed or sources can be found when something is legit. It is the WP:OR and WP:POV masquerading as authentic content that is the bigger problem. I removed some of the egregiously WP:POV content and removed the banner template.

But the remaining unsourced content will also go away at some point. If you care about any of it, you need to find the sources.

By the way, I don't believe that the border "divided" the people. People always move across borders, for whatever reason. It is part of human nature. The border was already there before McMahon got involved. You can see a "Chukang" marked right across the border north of Tawang. A "Chukang" is a customs house. There was also a Chukang in the Nyamjang Chu valley according to observers, but it isn't marked on the map. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 00:50, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: Thanks. I think the page is in a better state now, good for someone else to pick up and expand. --Glennznl (talk) 19:48, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

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Failure to mention that there are Monpa people in China

Why does the text of the current version of this article fail to mention that there are Monpa people living in China? They are one of China's officially recognized ethnic groups. This is a very serious problem! Please fix! 98.123.38.211 (talk) 19:33, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Fixed. Please watch for and prevent any such massive blanking of essential information in the future!!! 98.123.38.211 (talk) 19:39, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Duplicate article?

Is this rather poorly written/developed article actually a duplicate of this article? Memba people 98.123.38.211 (talk) 18:13, 11 August 2024 (UTC)