Talk:Moon over Parador

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I think there might be an issue of POV with the tone of the "underlying themes" section? 10 March 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ultimars (talk • contribs) 06:11, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Unfounded speculation re: "The Impossible Dream"

In the Production notes section, the item regarding the quotes from "The Impossible Dream" says:

Only Roberto catches on, a reference to Raúl Juliá's leading role (Don Quixote) in the Broadway version of Man of La Mancha.

At least two other characters, the Archbishop and Strausmann's thug assistant, show the same reaction Strausmann shows. Conjecturing a special connection to Julia's role in Man of La Mancha is unfounded. I am removing that sentence.--Jim10701 (talk) 17:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 15 July 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: NO CONSENSUS. Daniel Case (talk) 03:16, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

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Moon over Parador → Moon Over Parador – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. Filmomusico (talk) 20:37, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose per MOS:CT. Although Wikipedia main title headers for entertainment venue entries use "Over"/"over" inconsistently [for example, Bullets over Broadway and Bullets Over Broadway (musical)], as long as "over" is indicated in lowercase under MOS:CT, lowercase use should prevail. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:03, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
• The thing is, is that over here we don't have Moon Over Parador (musical) (or whatever other work under this title might exist). In our case we have a single article, Moon Over Parador. I personally view it as a form of typo, something that Wikipedia used to avoid doing in articles. Another thing to mention, the above mentioned film is American. In America, all works are capitalized, which we must respect.--Filmomusico (talk) 23:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

The inconsistencies affect titles from the entire English-speaking world. There is the Head over Heels disambiguation page, Moon Over Miami disambiguation page, Angels Over Broadway, Crazy Over Horses, Fire Over England, Fog Over Frisco, Gabriel Over the White House, etc. At some point we hope to have consensus regarding this issue, but until then, it is MOS:CT that we must respect. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:01, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Well, if Moon Over Miami and others are capitalized, there is probably a good reason for it, and MOS:CT doesn't dictate here as you see. So, if it is an article on American film, MOS:CT can make an exception, I guess. Look, all the above films that you mentioned are American, even disambiguation pages are listing it as American film, song, TV series, etc.--Filmomusico (talk) 01:15, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Unless we have Wikipedia-wide consensus regarding all titles using "Over"/"over" and grammarian advice specifying its case-by-case use as a lowercase preposition or an uppercase adverb, whatever we ultimately decide in this particular RM will only represent WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:39, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

And that is how you begin changing Consensus - little-by-little.--Filmomusico (talk) 02:20, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

• Support per references and common name. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:12, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
• Support This is a constant balance -- what to do when formatting suggested by the MOS is inconsistent with the official name and the name commonly used in reliable sources. But as the MOS makes clear that ultimately what we should do is defer to usage in reliable sourcing -- ""an adherence to conventions widely used in the genre are critically important to credibility." If the reliable sources used throughout coverage of the genre use the "correct title," it clearly runs against our guidelines purposes to intentionally choose to use a different one.--Yaksar (let's chat) 13:22, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose preposition. MOON OVER is not a verb and adverb. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:50, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per MOS:CT. Following our own Manual of Style is important because it ensures consistency within Wikipedia. And the Manual of Style clearly states that prepositions with four letters or fewer are not capitalized. (There is a potential exception mentioned regarding words that are frequently not a preposition, e.g. "Like" and "Past", but that exception does not apply to "over", which is mostly used as a preposition.) Darkday (talk) 17:01, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
• I did a Google search for both variations. In Google search both Moon over Parador and Moon Over Parador come out 255,000 times, only with one second difference (previously the split was between 80 and 59 seconds).--Filmomusico (talk) 02:59, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.