Talk:Mortal Kombat II/Archive 1

Archive 1

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• CAST - The "Philip Ahn" Listed on the cast section as Shang Tsung is so clearly NOT HIM, the name is close but its not the same person linked —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.196.11.130 (talk) 13:23, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

• General: I got here looking for mk2. There is no disambiguation page, and there are lots of things 'mk2' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.118.63.88 (talk) 17:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

• "(Shokan warrior and cheap sub-boss)" imo the cheap should be cut, looks biased? (clem 17:41, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC))

• Easter Eggs - I just moved these from the MKI page, where they seemed a little out of place. Could probably use extensive reformatting.

Virog - 15 Sept 2005

• Tricks to try - Are those pictures really necessary? People want to look at basic pictures of the gameplay not glitches and other unnecessary images. That's just my opinion though. Buzda - 3 Oct 2005

• What is the "?" box?

It is to represent the fight against hidden character Jade. Buzda 03:49, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Stop adding Skarlet to the character list

Wikipedia concerns information that is based on fact, not assumptions or rumors. Skarlet has never been proven to exist in MKII or ANY MK game for that matter, so stop adding "her". She is already covered in the Minor Mortal Kombat characters article, so she has no place on this page unless someone wants to briefly mention her in the trivia section as a rumored glitch character. Buzda 05:25, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

I think the so called Skarlet is just Mileena's recolor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lesser Shadow (talk • contribs) 01:12, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Fergality

Someone should add an easter egg about the fergalty on the sega version.

Fergality has been added. Would like to know what part needs a citation as per The Haunted Angel's recommendation. StriderSkorpion 04:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind about the citation, as Sonicrazy took care of it. StriderSkorpion 05:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Shawn Moves

Back when I used to play this on an arcade box (oh so long ago), I saw a repairman look at some kind of service application which listed various counts of things that had happend (number of fatalities, etc.) One of these was a list of "Shawn Moves" that had been performed. Never did find out what these were. Does anyone know? 80.246.32.32 14:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

You mean "Shawn Attacks". And I have no idea what that means. Buzda 19:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, "Shawn Attacks". Rumor has it that "Shawn" was a secret character with fire moves, like Blaze. Of course, this is fake. --Dekabreak101 16:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Amiga version

I've added some information about the Amiga version. I had initially started this as an entry in the "Trivia" heading, but it grew and grew, and as such I have expanded it into its own section. The Amiga version is arguably the most troubled, buggy port of the game and I felt this deserved some coverage.

I also briefly mentioned an equally buggy port of another Midway-developed beat 'em up, themed around prewhistoric animals (dinosaurs mainly, although there was a giant gorilla in it, I believe). Anyone remember the name of that game?

Cheers. --Squirminator2k 15:55, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

That would be Primal Rage, which was actually done by Atari. It was ported to the Mega Drive\Genesis by Probe who is also responsible for the MK1 and MK2 Mega Drive\Genesis ports. 69.149.223.221 09:17, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Bios

Please delete that section, it is not necessary. Name the characters, but don't create a redundant list. -- ReyBrujo 22:37, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Thats a good point, there's no reason to have a large list on an encyloepedia entry - especially since EACH of these characters also has thier own wiki entries! Also, the 'tricks to try' section is TOTALLY uncalled for... this isn't a game hints/secrets page!

Why? I say no, it is an important part of a game.. ^ Use the sign button on top next time...--69.86.216.147 22:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Ports info

Does anyone want to add in the other port developers? I already added the SNES and Genesis developers after the picture captions... but unfortunetly I don't know any of the other ones. Also, even if the GG and Master System ones look similar, are they technically considered the same versions?

Also, if you want to get techinical, is the original version even a port to begin with? Semantics abound.

207.172.52.41 17:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but this article is terrible!

Instead of concentrating on all of the Easter Eggs in the fucking game, let's concentrate more on the gameplay and differences in the game's ports. Still images for each port of the game DO NOT make up for a "Port" section in the article. But to be honest, I think the whole article would benefit from being completed erased and written from scratch. Buzda 03:01, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

- What is wrong with Easter Eggs? You don't like DVD commentaries, do you? People come here for more than pure facts. They wants rumors, trivia, secret info, etc. Don't assume we just want stats and history. *MeridianiGusev* —Preceding unsigned comment added by MeridianiGusev (talk • contribs)

DVDs are not Wikipedia articles. EVula 18:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

- You should have seen it a month ago, it was twice as long with the only stuff being character infos and arenas. Anyway, I think the stuff I added about the gameplay is enough considering that this is a Wiki article and not supposed to be greatly in depth. If you want to add stuff about the ports (and take out those stupid Easter Eggs things, I agree with you about) please do that. I currently only have the SNES version and haven't played the PSX, GG, etc.

Maybe you should take your complaints to the talk page of Mortal Kombat WikiProject and see what they think. -SaturnYoshi 19:19, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Why was the arena section removed? Just because that crappy "List of Mortal Kombat Arenas" article was created shouldn't mean that any mention of the arenas in this article (or any MK article) should be removed. That would be like removing any mention of the characters in this game's article because each character has its own article on Wikipedia. Buzda 00:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Frankly, all of the MK game articles are of rather poor quality. I suggest we create a unified structure for the games on the WikiProject and rewrite them from scratch using that template. The biggest problem I see is too many lists and not enough prose, though I agree that the Easter Egg section needs to be heavily edited (though it is notable with regards to the remainder of the series). Virogtheconq 00:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I'd be more than happy to help out with and/or support such an effort. As it is, I've been striving for consistency amongst the character pages, though the games weren't far from my thoughts. EVula 05:18, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

There is supposed to be a game cheat section on this site. I would think that the info could be added there. Although I think some tricks kinda are noteworthy, but you can still find that info on many other sites.--Iamstillhiro1112 02:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

The end result of some cheats may be noteworthy, but Wikipedia policy is against having articles written as game guides. Adding a "cheat section" to this article would count as game guide material. RobWill80 13:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I added a soundtrack section

Post your thoughts here before removing or bastardizing it. Buzda 05:46, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

It seems adequate, though I think Audio is probably a better title than Soundtrack, given that the sound system information really isn't a "soundtrack" in the usual sense. Virogtheconq 21:41, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Buzda 05:04, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Take away the playstation port

The playstation port is not true and is just a rumor.There never was a playstation port anywhere let alone Japan(Mortal Kombat is an american originating game)Whoever continues putting the PS paart back stop it it was just a rumor it does not exist! Parralax 23:41, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

See my latest edit summary as well as RobWill's edits. ≈ The Haunted Angel ^{(The Forest Whispers My Name)} 22:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

The PSX port does exist. Just because it wasn't released in another country doesn't mean it doesn't exist.--Iamstillhiro1112 02:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

It's Japan-only, and is actually very accurate compared whit other ports.Master Bigode 01:45, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Aww!! Japan only?? Damn!! And I was so sure it was available for PS1 down here in Aus... :( Mkrox (talk) 06:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Criticism section

I don't think this section is necessary. The 2D MKs are notable for their cheap CPU opponents and I think this should be mentioned on the main article about Mortal Kombat instead of on this page. Buzda 04:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I have always hated that section, in alot of pages. Usually it gets filled with hatred filled comments, written in an un-encycolpedic way.--Iamstillhiro1112 02:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Should we trash it? Buzda 03:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

The criticism section is only for game critiques to say about MKII. I think we should trash it.--Dekabreak101 16:58, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe that should be noted on the main article, but it could also be touched on briefly here.--Iamstillhiro1112 19:45, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Canon

This flag is also on the Shaolin Monks page. I think there should be some reference on either page as to which is the true canon. Fanatics of MK2 writting that this game IS canon don't count.--Iamstillhiro1112 02:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I've renamed the title of your discussion to match the one given in your dispute tag. Perhaps this should be redirected to the discussion at the Shaolin Monks talk page (here), since two discussions on the same subject would be unnecessary. RobWill80 13:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it's fairly obvious that Mortal Kombat II is canon. The question is if Shaolin Monks is canon, which basically retcons much of MKII. However, Monks could not replace MKII on its own. MarphyBlack 10:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it is also, but calling one canon over another is a strong statement, which should have some kinda sitation. Or you can go the non bias way and say canon of MKSM is challenged at the moment.--Iamstillhiro1112 20:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

MKII SNES rare version?

Looks very fictious the "rare" version. Anyone has this version? I removed it, until we get proof(or there is?).

• Some of the SNES versions of Mortal Kombat II had the fighters names' in the lifebar other than outside and underneath it, finding this cartridge version is extremely rare.

--Dekabreak101 22:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I got all the known dumps of the game and I don't see that in any of them. It's speculation only.--Iamstillhiro1112 21:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

There are rumors about this version in my area. Maybe it really existed.Master Bigode 01:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Added taglines

I want to add taglines to the article, because also the video game articles (as well as the film articles) should be have its taglines. --David Pro 18:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Mk2cred-10.png

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Saturn version?

I find it strange that there is no mention of the Sega Saturn version of MKII, which was a lot more common than the PS1 game.

Yeah, we need to put that in.

Rumors and Urban legends

How about adding a section that covers all the rumors since there were a lot of them in this game? Does anybody have any good sources for the rumors? I think that would make the article more interesting.

What about hardware peripherals?

Shouldn't we add a page about the hardware the arcade game ran on? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Radicalfaith360 (talk • contribs) 23:58, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

MK3 Toasty popup

I've added a new screenshot, below the MK2 toasty image, with the MK3 version. Enjoy! Andreskrey (talk) 21:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Sub-Zero

Isn't the Sub-Zero in this game a different character to the original one in Mortal Kombat? So why is he in the returning characters' sub-section when, technically, he should be in the new characters' sub-section? It's not as if the second Sub-Zero ever appeared in a previous Mortal Kombat game. 15:20, 6 January 2008

GA nomination

Review: this article is being reviewed (additional comments are welcome). David Pro (talk) 20:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

• It covers all the versions.
  • Y Done.
• Mentions info about the soundtrack album.
  • Y Done.
• There isn't edit waring.
  • Y Done.
• Also has info about the hacks.
  • Y Done.
• Mentions some easter eggs in the game.
  • Y Done.
• Each character has their respective link.
  • Y Done.

Good, I'm happy to pass it to GA now, well done. David Pro (talk) 20:56, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Reply

I’m removed this article’s purported GA status, as it was reviewed by its nominator – a violation of policy. Article is in violation of almost all GA criteria. A very cursory glance reveals the following:

• 1. Lead does not summarize article per WP:LEAD, numerous grammar errors, “Characters and cast” and “Storyline” are written in an in-universe style, etc.
• 2. Many sections are without sources; sources used are of questionable reliability. Numerous instances of WP:NOR violations, e.g. Game system and Storyline sections.
• 3. Article is not sufficiently broad. Precedent requires reception and development sections. Further, criticism regarding game’s gore and violent content is well-known, but receives no coverage.
• 6. Mk2cred-10.png has no caption and improper fair use rationale, e.g. Purpose of use is “yes”.

As article was inappropriately assessed, I’ve been bold per WP:RGA. If you disagree with the delisting, please feel free to bring the matter to WP:GAR. Ɛƚƈơƅƅơƚɑ _talk 21:41, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

This action has been endorsed by WP:GAR: see here. Geometry guy 19:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Lots of info

http://www.huguesjohnson.com/scans/mk2-behind-scenes/index.html --Ostateczny Krach Systemu Korporacji (talk) 18:54, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

More info

http://www.gamefaqs.com/saturn/562828-mortal-kombat-ii/data

Apparently it wasn't released in 1995 on the Saturn but rather 1996. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 21:33, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

http://web.archive.org/web/20040514014833/www.egmmag.com/article2/0,2053,1526654,00.asp Also, an EGM review, courtesy of WP:VG. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 14:57, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

The unencyclopedially written rumors

What was this? Was this actually valid? If so, give some real sources and properly wikiefied. --Asperchu (talk) 18:06, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

If you're talking about the High-Definition remake, it was confirmed by a MK website called TRMK after talking with several big industry names. And I gave sources, I just don't know how to add them to the References section. 66.227.220.139 (talk) 13:14, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Which means it's still a rumor only. --Asperchu (talk) 11:53, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Here's the source. Looks legitimate to me. AFAIK, TRMK is regarded as a reliable source. --uKER (talk) 15:51, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

The article section may be poorly written, but TRMK is indeed a reliable source. It is leaked info., not official by the company, but the info. is legitimate nonetheless. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 15:45, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

A fansite does not satisfy Wikipedia's policies on reliability and notability for references. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 15:49, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

It's proven reliable in the past, and i'm pretty sure WP:N only applies to subjects having their own articles, not on references. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 16:30, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

No, actualy notability is also applied to references with regards to their reliability. I.E. if it doesn't have the notability of a major reference source in that field, it's most likely not a valid source. At least it always has in the past with FA and GA nominations, which is the actual purpose of the editing of articles here. To reach at least GA status. And at the very least it has to satisfy WP:RS and WP:Verify. And whether or not you find them reliable is irrelevant, a reference has to meet Wikipedia's policies on reliability to be included. A fansite is not considered a reliable reference for Wikipedia, unless it itself has been used as a reference by reliable sources. And those are far and few between. If you don't want to take my word for it, I'd be happy to file the site at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard to let the people directly involved in those sorts of decisions to weigh in. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 20:41, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Gamestop now has the compilation listed for pre-order, so I really don't think this is a rumor anymore. 66.227.220.139 (talk) 21:49, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Gamestop pulled the compilation info from their site, but this doesn't mean the compilation should be removed from Wikipedia yet. Gamespot made an article today about the game's existence. Link here: Gamespot News 66.227.220.139 (talk) 12:14, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

TRMK has another update: A french website posted what could be the box art for the compilation, revealing that there will be a playable demo of Mortal Kombat (2011) and a 3D-compatible game video included. The french site also said the game should be released on November 18th. It's still a PS3-exclusive though. Box Art News 66.227.220.139 (talk) 10:09, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Cease your "UPDATES", this is encyclopedia and your website. Also see how I handled this. (Unless this "this an arcade only game" reverted me again.) --Asperchu (talk) 14:23, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I reverted you, not because it's an "arcade only game", but because you can't spell very well, and your "update" contained at least one jab to another editor. Comment on contributions, not the contributor. a_man_alone (talk) 18:06, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Not to mention the guidelines call for collapsible lists with the main/original platform as the index. If this conduct continues, including the uncivility, we'll be filing you on it which will most likely result in an IP block. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 21:58, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Asperchu, stop trying to delete the HD collection from the Mortal Kombat pages. You're trying to act big and important, but it's just making you look like a noobish retard. TRMK confirmed with several major game industries that the HD collection is coming, and unless we get a statement from Warner Bros. saying it's a joke (most likely not), then it can be deleted. So go away, stop acting like an idiot, and leave the section alone. 66.227.220.139 (talk) 18:41, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Plus, that GameSpot link added to the notability/reliability of TRMK because it directly mentioned it in the article. The game is definitely real, unless it's an elaborate hoax which will regardless also be a notable event to be included in all 3 articles (but i'm pretty sure this game is real). Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 19:57, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Someone tried to delete the HD collection from this article again yesterday. I reinserted it, because I say again, until we get official confirmation that the collection is a hoax, then it can be deleted.66.227.220.139 (talk) 17:53, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Now, Subzerosmokerain: no, "the text is not fine". IT'S A STILL UNCOMFIRMED RUMOR, sparked by some fansite, PRESENTED AS A FACT. Also, I already wrote about this rumor IN THE VERY INTRO TO THE ARTICLE! For god's sake, seriously what the hell is wrong with you people? ...chu. Also, a space goes after a reference, not before. --Asperchu (talk) 02:31, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Do me a favor and read WP:LEAD, one mention in the intro. and no mention of the information in the article is unencyclopediac, period. This content isn't violating anything as adding it to relevant pages does no harm (as opposed to the creation of its own stand alone article). The game is unconfirmed by any official source but you fail to note that it has not been deconfirmed by any official source (saying outright if it is, or is not a hoax). And as for where it started, it started with a listing of the collection on a European game seller website. It's been corroborated multiple times with confirmations by GameStop/EB Games and even Wal-Mart. The fansite was re-presenting the facts and GameSpot ran with it. Hoax or not, that single GameSpot article warrants an inclusion of the kollection, for the fact of being a third party, reliable source. Oh and By the way, International Caps Lock day was last week, not today. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 04:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

The FANSITE started A RUMOUR. The other, real sources (cited by me) just cited the fansite. It's not presented by "hoax or not" by you, but as a fact. It's a rumour, uncomfirmed, and should be treated by rumour, WITHOUT citing a fansite (where it originated). It will stop being a rumour WHEN IT IS CONFIRMED (and what time passed since the rumour began, MONTHS already?). --Asperchu (talk) 18:50, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Please Cease and Desist Harmful editing

You are creating quite a mess of the article. You've made some worthwhile contributions yes, i'm not denying that but the edits i've undone are for a reason. You are making unessecary edits to the awards section and removing the already decided upon HD Kollection. It stays, no matter what you say. It's been spoken upon by a third party reliable source, and that's what warrants the inclusion in the article. Not what I say, not what you say but what policy says. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 18:50, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

No, I FUCKING REWROTE THE WHOLE ARTICLE already (first as an anomymous user). It was "a mess of the article", before I did, starting last year or early this year, I don't remember. I provided most of reception (including ALL THE AWARDS in first place, or almost all of them), I rewrote most of everything else. Hello? --Asperchu (talk) 18:55, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and here are your "reliable sources"/"third party reliable source":

• TRMK
• TRMK - Mortal Kombat News - More Mortal Kombat Hd Arcade Kollection Evidence Surfaces
• TRMK - Mortal Kombat News - You Can Now Preorder Mortal Kombat Hd Collection At Gamestop

It's ALL just ONE FANSITE. The reliable sources that I cited QUOTED THIS FANSITE, and pre-orders might by sparked by guess what, this very Wikipedia article and people calling the stores etc. --Asperchu (talk) 19:00, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

You are quite incorrect, it originated from the Midway forums where a user there noticed the existence of the HD kollection on a Swedish video game site. The HD kollection information only appeared recently, during which time you promptly removed the information, I was wary to add it myself as you said it was a rumor but then GameStop, Wal-mart, and other stores began to put the HD arcade kollection on their video game listing. Only to be brought down later. These reliable sources I am about to list have echoed what TRMK said because they have trusted TRMK as a reliable source and noted of the Arcade kollection: http://www.joystiq.com/2010/09/21/mortal-kombat-hd-arcade-kollection-listed-by-gamestop/ http://www.gamespot.com/news/6276629.html http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/mortal-kombat-hd-arcade-kollection/news/mortal-kombat-hd-arcade-kollection-kould-be-koming-this-november/a-20100922112237743052/g-20100922112031164002 http://shogungamer.com/news/yet-another-update-mortal-kombat-hd-arcade-kollection

It is quite possible this is an elaborate hoax, but it is also possible that the game is real and all of these sources have covered it. Those are only a few from my google search and there are bound to be more. The information follows WP:V with WP:RS, please note of this before further action must be taken. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 19:11, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

You're right: "further action must be taken" and I'm taking it alright. I posted the notice of rumours in the article (in a very prominent place, but explaining it's only a rumour so far - for many weeks now), but I won't you to push an uncomfirmed rumor (originating from a forum which was then "confirmed" by a series of posts on some random fansite) as already estabilished fact. You're free to come back when you'll get any official (as in: from the creators) confirmation in a magazine and/or an actually respectable website (requirements: it has a Wikipedia article, like IGN and unlike TRMK). You might even go and write a separate article on Mortal Kombat: HD Arcade Kollection (or whatever) and you know what, I'd help you out with it.

Also stop your disruptive edits, like reverting my further attempts to finish the very important reception section (which has been mostly written by me already, and now I'm going to finish it). --Asperchu (talk) 18:36, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Asperchu, please see wp:own - this is not your article, no matter what you think or what you have previously contributed. Please reconsider two things: Your editing, and your attitude. You are making it hard for anybody to take sides with you regardless of your intentions. a_man_alone (talk) 18:42, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

So, 3 months passed - and not a word of official confirmation. And this is why I now propose to remove everything regarding this fansite-sparked rumour from every article where it was spammed into. --Asperchu (talk) 11:34, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

That claim seems a little odd. It's clearly listed on Sony's site now for preorder, as well as Newegg and several other online stores. I have no investment in the subject one way or another, but being on Sony's own online store would be "official confirmation" by Wikipedia standards. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 17:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

So, if it's really released in... TOMMOROW (still without even telling anyone in press, not to mention any promotion like just releasing a trailer, or even any picture), you'll make an article about this incredible sleeper hit. (And if not, you won't.) --Asperchu (talk) 09:39, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Btw, Sony ("make.belive") preorder was just deleted. Oh noes! WHAT HAPPEN? THIS is all news on this of the last 24 hrs - pretty bad for an alleged release day, I guess? Oh, and Metacritic is just as guilible as you, and this just sad. --Asperchu (talk) --Asperchu (talk) 13:48, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Asperchu, do you hate the idea of an HD Mortal Kombat collection? Do you not want it to ever happen? It sounds like it since you're so hell-bent on vaporizing it from Wikipedian history. 66.227.220.139 (talk) 23:22, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Probably, but ever since that deadline passed he's now been proven right. The references from reliable guys are there, and they since I added them to this page, it'll stay here for later. We can add them when WB actually confirms the game's existence. But for now, we pro-MKHD users must take a raincheck on creating the section. Sucks, I know. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 23:26, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

New "Archival" HD Kollection Section

I reinstated the Mortal Kombat HD Kollection into the articles, this time stating that it's rumored and WB Games has yet to confirm it. This (was) a big deal and I believe it deserves some credit.

Asperchu, if you intend again to eradicate all traces of the HD collection from Wikipedia, please explain why you hate the idea so much. And if you throw a big hissy fit towards everyone like you did before, then I'll have to request the staff to inflict harsh punishment on you. Consider this your warning from me, because I've seen how you act and how you have no respect for anyone on the site, even the staff. 66.227.220.139 (talk) 22:02, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I know I'm coming up far too late on this, but I'll say it anyway. Wikipedia has no place for rumors, it is speculation, and requires sources. The section followed none of those policies. You yourself have clearly said it was "rumored" and unconfirmed. We cannot accept such material. I don't know if Asperchu consulted you privately to discuss the matter, but I think everyone should see this anyway. Hopefully this will help you when making future contributions. Tubularbells1993 (talk) 06:30, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

UGO.com links

While link de-rotting, the list of the Best 42 Games Ever was apparently confused with Top 25 Fighting Game of All Time (both links are now to the latter).

Konfirmed: Kollection is Koming

Arcade Kollection to include Mortal Kombat, Mortal Kombat II, and Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 in a $10 downloadable bundle for PS3, 360, and PC. Gamespot News This news has also been posted on numerous other gaming websites. 66.227.220.139 (talk) 19:41, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

More refs - needed or not?

There are some sections (gameplay, characters) unsourced, but I'm not sure if we should even bother at this point, and according to the article feedback (now it's gone) people are generally already fully satisfied already. --194.145.185.229 (talk) 17:42, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

B assessment

I've reassessed it as B. It looks better than the first time I assessed it a month ago. My only suggestion is to actually put release dates in the appropriate sections under "Development and releases". For example, the "PlayStation 3" sub-section doesn't mention its PSN release date. I would say break all the release info from the development since Release sections are generally separate from Development, but because of the way the section is set up, it may not be needed. A GAN process may suggest this or think what the page is currently doing is fine. --JDC808 ♫ 16:46, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it's GA ready yet. --Niemti (talk) 00:10, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Mortal Kombat II/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: ChrisGualtieri (talk · contribs) 16:40, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Might as well take this one up for review as well. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 16:40, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Make the series first, I just decided to re-write this one all over again. --Niemti (talk) 15:53, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Very well. I did the series one and I was just moving to this one. How much time do you need? ChrisGualtieri (talk) 15:54, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm doing it since yesterday, I'm not sure but I guess maybe today or tommorow. --Niemti (talk) 15:55, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

But you might take a quick look and tell what I should concentrate on, because I've got a whole bunch of old scans right there. --Niemti (talk) 16:00, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

OK (Home versions of Mortal Kombat II is now a separate article). --Niemti (talk) 21:28, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Let's review:

Prose issues. "However, all characters in the game still share generic attributes (speed, power, jump height and airtime) and all normal moves are also the same between each character." - Consider rewriting this sentence, and most readers unfamiliar with the subject will not understand 'air time'.

"As with its predecessor, matches are divided into rounds, and the first player to win two rounds by fully depleting their opponent's life bar is the winner; at this point the losing character will become dazed and the winner is given the opportunity of using a finishing move." - This should be the first sentence of the paragraph. The test your might should go down further, it breaks the flow of the prose and is a bit awkward.

"The arcade version also contains a hidden game of Pong.[1]" This seems out of place. More of an easteregg and other secrets, it should not be part of the game overview.

Again, "According to the series' canon, Liu Kang won the tournament, defeating Shao Kahn and his bodyguard Kintaro.[4]" This should be dealt with afterwards. Each character gets their own ending, but the purposes of the series canon, that ending for the storyline. Maybe expand it to its own character?

The players and cast section should be noted more clearly, otherwise it may appear at first that the real names of the characters are being reflected instead of their actors. Also, are they 'really' actors or just voice actors? It is never really addressed in the article.

Please consider fixing the characters and the cast section. It is just a jumble of motives and characters with some purpose, but it is lacking in description and detail and it comes off a bit shoddy as a result. The constant references to the canon and other parts seem fit for another area, but half of it comes off as trivia. "Jax was originally going to be named Stryker, a name that would later be used for another character in the next sequel.", "It is later revealed that she is a clone of Kitana with Tarkatan traits." and " Later revealed to be the younger brother of the original Sub-Zero, seeking to complete the original Sub-Zero's failed mission of assassinating Shang Tsung." Remember this is fictional and should not use in-universe perspective. The constant bouncing, canon references and other tidbits come off across as neither introducing the character, but the what the character is and what the character's future role in canon is. Deal with that on the character main page, I would really prefer prose that describes the characters and why they are in the tournament, that's it. No need to go to the endings either.

The rest of it is pretty much fine, I do notice the 2002 statement about Mortal Kombat 2 being the best in the series takes prominence, but the claim should be put into context here. According to the release of the games this could cover up to Deadly Alliance, but even that is not certain. Though it is not even mentioned on the page to which you point the reference to. That should be fixed.

Images are okay. No broken links or self bouncing links. The article is neutral with a slight lean on the fan side.

Going to put this on hold, since it is a bunch of fixes. The prose is the thing which gets you here, and the rest seems okay, but it could use a lot of tinkering still. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:23, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Done. --Niemti (talk) 06:58, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

It is good to see you continuing to improve the article, but if you do not mind, I will wait a little bit more and re-review all the changes and adjustments made for clarity of the process. I will do a little nitpicky of a run, just to make certain that the article of high quality. I will probably do some fixes myself if they are small. Keep on improving the article, each improvement gets it closer to FA criteria. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 04:20, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

It's seriously complete now. --Niemti (talk) 23:08, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Pass. It looks good, you've done a LOT of work on it and it looks much better now. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 04:04, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Gameplay section

Some unclear stuff in this section. What is a "turnaround kick"? Is that the same thing as a roundhouse kick mentioned later in the section? Also, technically MK II does not have traditional "combos", that is, you still can't preempt one attack and perform another one. The only combos are juggles. --Jtalledo (talk) 15:22, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Turnaround kick?

What is this supposed to mean? "a crouching punch and turnaround kick were added..." LazyBastardGuy 20:53, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Edit needed

Smoke is listed as an alternate Sub Zero palette with Scorpion's fight stance, but in fact it's Reptiles fight stance he has. Zpaul2fresh8 (talk) 18:58, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

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