Talk:Mota (island)

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u/vanua/island

The linked wiki pages for this to Codrington etc., don't exist. If one has a hard copy that is what one cites, not some hypothetical page at wikisources in the future. Dover by the way cites far more recent linguistic sources, and definitely writes 'u' italicized, not 'v'. This is a question of precise phonological science, for which late 19th century transcriptions are not always reliable guides. I'm thinking of the possibility that 'v' refers to something like a voiced labiodental approximant.Nishidani (talk) 13:07, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Nice, but no. R. H. Codrington is a perfect source for Mota; and in fact, the only one reliable. We're not just talking about "late 19th transcriptions"! but of one of the best dictionaries ever published for Oceanic languages. By contrast, Dover is unknown to Oceanic linguistics (and you never provided a proper reference to his/her work). No way it can be a /u/! see the vanua page. I know Mota well, and I can tell you this is a /v/ (realised voiced [β] or voiceless [ɸ]).

As for the wiki pages, they show scans of that dictionary, that is sufficient to make them a perfectly good link; the text of the link shows the page references, which are the same as in my hardcopy. (You may also create links to this online resource instead, it's the same page numbers). -- Womtelo (talk) 14:32, 25 April 2023 (UTC).