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Bad title

Mount Zion Cemetery, Jerusalem (Protestant) was better, as there are several more cemeteries on Mount Zion in Jerusalem: another Protestant one (see Oskar Schindler grave), a Catholic one as its adjacent twin, and an old Muslim one. Arminden (talk) 01:45, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

When I look at very detailed maps I see cemeteries all over the place, with boundaries often unclear and names inconsistent. I'm not even sure which cemetery this is. It isn't satisfactory to have a map that doesn't even show it. Zero^talk 03:49, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

@Zero0000: hi.
I've made at least two mistakes, so I'm rewriting this post. I didn't study the old maps, but for a very long time now the Christian cemeteries have delimitated their territory with fences, walls and gates.
It would be interesting to see how many of the cemeteries from Mt Zion do have a name. This could be decisive if this article can keep its current title. We can also transform it to include all cemeteries on Mt Zion, if that wouldn't create a mammoth.
Here is a tourist map with a numbered legend, it can help with orientation. I will use in this post the numbers from the map. There is a dedicated website too, Cemeteries on Mount Zion or The Mount Zion Cemeteries – Documentation Project (www.graves.mountzion.org.il), with good detailed articles on six cemeteries. It says "licensed under a Creative Commons..." (bottom left), does it mean that we can use it inside the article?

• The Protestant cemetery [25] next to the JUC (former Bishop Gobat School) is the only Protestant cemetery on Mount Zion, and probably the only active one in Jerusalem. The main road (Ma'ale HaShalom St. on Google Maps) makes a 90-degree bend: it's north of this bend. The so-called Gate of the Essenes is just outside the cemetery (in Vieweger's Area I). I don't remember in detail, I think it is less "fortified", but towards the road it's protected by the fact that it's at a higher level, with a high retaining wall towards the road and probably some kind of fence at the top; the entire compound (JUC + cemetery) is well defined and closed in from the N side (see the last pic here).
• The Catholic (Franciscan-run) cemetery [16] with Oskar Schindler's grave is on the other side of the road (i.e. towards the bed of the Hinnom Valley), SE of the sharp turn. Its gate is a bit off the road and faces another identical one which I wrongly thought to be the access to a second Protestant cemetery, but it's not. Maybe there's a cemetery there reserved for the French Assumptionists from the Church of Saint Peter in Gallicantu on whose lands it seems to be, or something else altogether. On this aerial photo you can see the "Schindler cemetery" at the bottom right, with two areas, the upper one sustained by a long white retaining wall and split into rectangular plots, and a lower one below the white wall (closer to the onlooker). The possible second cemetery is the almost rectangular plot to the right (NE) of it, at a 45-degree angle on the photo. Both are fully closed in by identical walls and separated by a narrow lane.
• The Jewish Sambuski Cemetery [17] is adjacent to, and further down the slope, from the Catholic one.
• The Muslim cemetery [11] consists of three separate plots and is sometimes called "the Dajani cemeteries" or "the Dajani family cemetery". The plots are right next to the walls of the former David Mosque compound (comprising the Cenacle, "Tomb of David", and all the surrounding buildings). See more images here and here; the latter is captioned "David1" on the Emek Shaveh page, where it says "Adjacent to the compound is the ancient Muslim cemetery of the Dajani family and the Sephardic synagogue."
• The Greek Orthodox Cemetery [20] is next to the Greek Orthodox Seminary [19]. Not usually visited by anyone outside the community.
• The Armenian Cemetery
• The cemetery of the Dormition Abbey [at 5] is only used by the Benedictines living there.
  

I've never looked for it, but on European maps from C12-16 there might be images of Christian tombs next to the church - the Crusaders had built a huge church, including the area of today's Dormition Abbey and the Cenacle. I'm sure they buried people in the churchyard, but I'm not aware if any have been found (there have been hardly any modern excavations in the area). Arminden (talk) 03:20, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

@Arminden: Great work! This should develop into an article. I'm strapped for time but I'll definitely come back to this. I have detailed maps from 1920s to 1950s showing most of these. Zero^talk 06:23, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 January 2023

Please remove Shireen Abu Akleh's name from the notable burials list. She is not buried in this cemetery but in the Greek Orthodox Cemetery on Mount Zion. The two cemeteries are nearby each other but they are different, as the article already says. Here is a source: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/18/shireen-abu-akleh-palestinian-unity-in-life-and-in-death SJy2iI83VJ (talk) 02:03, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

This one has her being buried Mount Zion Protestant Cemetery]. Id say the later source is probably more accurate so Ill make the change, but if you can find more sources would be helpful. nableezy - 02:58, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

It's easy to confuse "Mount Zion cemetery" or "cemetery on Mount Zion" with "Mount Zion Cemetery". Here are some other sources:

• https://www.npr.org/2022/05/13/1098859296/israel-police-funeral-palestinian-journalist-shireen-abu-akleh
• https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/for-shireen-abu-akleh/
• https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/05/12/greece-palestinian-west-bank/

SJy2iI83VJ (talk) 03:10, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Reopening the edit request on this article. I think the edit request on the Shireen Abu Akleh article was resolved and can be closed. The change on this article is still needed though. - SJy2iI83VJ (talk) 03:30, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Oh sorry, fixing this one too. nableezy - 03:33, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! - SJy2iI83VJ (talk) 03:47, 7 January 2023 (UTC)