Talk:Mugger crocodile/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Simongraham (talk · contribs) 10:30, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

WOW, that was a fast reply !! Thanks a lot !! -- BhagyaMani (talk) 10:51, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

This looks an article on a topic that is of appeal to those of us who are interested in animals and culture. I will start a review shortly. simongraham (talk) 10:30, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Review

The article covers a topic with diverse and interesting facts. It is stable, 83.5% of authorship is one user, BhagyaMani. It is currently ranked a B-class article.

• The prose is generally well written, combining information available for the general audience and more specifist readers.
• "Latter diverged from this group about 8.91 to 4.19 million years ago." Should read "The latter…"

done -- BhagyaMani (talk) 11:03, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

• The paragraph starting "In India, it has been protected since 1972" needs tidying. It contains a number of unconnected statements and lacks a coherent narrative.

I restructured this section so that the 1st para now contains int'l regulations, the 2nd national protection statuses, the 3rd about compensation schemes and the last on discontinued reintroduction efforts. What do you think? -- BhagyaMani (talk) 18:49, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

That is a lot clearer. Thank you. simongraham (talk) 21:41, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

• The sentence "People respect it as a water living creature and do not harm it." is unsourced and needs clarification as WP:CLARIFY.

This sentence is based on same ref -- Rastegar-Pouyani et al. (2015) -- as all the info about conservation status in Iran, i.e. the previous + later sentences. Do you want me to split this into a new paragraph? or name + append this ref to each sentence? -- BhagyaMani (talk) 11:03, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

That is an interesting challenge. Maybe the solution is to clarify who "people" refers to. Does the source go into any more detail? simongraham (talk) 11:40, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

They refer to people in Baluchistan, and I suppose they mean the local people who live close to where the mugger occurs, i.e. in the southern part of the Sistan and Baluchestan Province, linked in an earlier section of the text. But they did NOT refer to a particular ethnic group. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 12:36, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

• In the citation, "It is strictly protected in Sri Lanka" continues, "and a crocodile management and conservation project is being formulated." As this dates from 2003, a more recent reference would be helpful. This could also include, for example, mention of the conservation action and human-crocodile conflict in Sri Lanka to provide consistency with comments about the issue in other countries.[[1]]

I read the chapter referenced in above JoTT issue, but the author Jayawardene (2004) merely PROPOSED to formulate a conservation action plan. Whether such a plan was indeed formulated and approved by any gov department : did not find anything. Da Silva & Lenin (2010) commented: At this time no state or federal Government has a conservation plan for the species, which has high priority. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 13:39, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Usually, I refrain from adding statements about the lack of .. absence of .. e.g. in Nepal, the mugger is protected only INside protected areas, i.e. is not listed in the resp. wildlife protection act 1973. Please let me know whether you think it worthwhile to add the NON-protection status. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 18:30, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Comments

• The crocodile is also known as muggar and simply mugger in the literature. Other alternative names seem to include naka[[2]], marsh crocodile[[3]] and Marsli Crocodile[[4]]. I recommend including mention of these and any other relevant synonyms in the article.

I agree that 'mugger' and 'marsh crocodile' are worthwhile to mention, the more so as both common names are part of several ref titles. But 'naka' is a word meaning 'long-snouted' in Pali and Prakrit languages that are not spoken anymore since at least the 14th century. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 19:44, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

I traced back the name 'marsh crocodile' to the late 1930s : McCann (1938) also used 'broad-snouted crocodile', but I haven't seen this name in any other of the 70+ refs used on this page. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 14:17, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

@Simongraham: There are redirects to THIS page titled 'mugger', 'marsh crocodile' and 'broad-snouted crocodile'. So I suppose, all these names should be mentioned bolded in the lede as well??? -- BhagyaMani (talk) 14:17, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, as per MOS:ALTNAME, with cited mentions in the body of the text. I wonder whether it is also worth mentioning the Makara connection there too. simongraham (talk) 10:22, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't really like looong lists of alt names in the first sentence of the lead and propose an alternative that I just uploaded. Let me know what you think. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 10:41, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

@Simongraham: please have a look at my changes and let me know whether there is anything else that you think needs to be amended. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:55, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

@BhagyaMani: I understand your reticence about have a long list but, following MOS:BOLDTITLE and WP:BOLDITIS, I think the emboldened terms should all be in the first sentence and that combining bold with wikilinks should be avoid. Maybe limiting it to just the better known ones would be a good compromise. simongraham (talk) 12:46, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

ok, done. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 13:03, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Great work. simongraham (talk) 22:33, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

• In the diet section, is it worth including the radiated tortoise?[[5]]

I just read this and the previous ref again : the authors were not able to clearly identify the turtle and tortoise to species level. I had added this info quite some time ago already and suppose that I didn't link it to species pages because of this lacking certainty. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 11:24, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

I concur. simongraham (talk) 11:40, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

• Between 2005 and 2018, 38 mugger crocodiles…" then lists the fate of 37. Do we know what happened to the remaining one?

done -- BhagyaMani (talk) 17:53, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, although I suggest remainder rather than remaining. simongraham (talk) 21:41, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

• In Culture, I suggest adding a reference to The Undertakers in The Second Jungle Book.

Absolutely!! + done -- BhagyaMani (talk) 12:26, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Please ping me when you would like to look at this again. simongraham (talk) 10:37, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Assessment

The six good article criteria:

1. It is reasonable well written

   the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct

   it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead, layout and word choice.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable

   it contains a reference section, presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;

   all inline citations are from reliable sources;

   it contains no original research;

   it contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism.

3. It is broad in its coverage

   it addresses the main aspects of the topic;

   it stays ffocused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail.

4. It has a neutral point of view

   it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to different points of view.

5. It is stable

   it does not change significantly from day to day because of any ongoing edit war or content dispute.

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   images are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content;

   images are (relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.

7. Overall:

   Congratulations. This article meets the criteria to be a Good Article within the WikiProject Amphibians and Reptiles.

   Pass/Fail: -- simongraham (talk) 22:37, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you!! -- BhagyaMani (talk) 07:24, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

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