Talk:Mumtaz (Indian actress)

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Considering the explanation given by the uploader of the image, there does not seem to be any conflict. 212.147.27.54 (talk) 13:57, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

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Considering the fact that Mumtaz rose from a mere bit-role 'extra' player to the topmost heroine of Hindi Films in a short carrer span of just 12 years, all narrations about her life sound like fairy tales and fans' views. There is no denial of the fact that Mumtaz is indeed a legend of Hindi Films. All the statements in the article are true, and none of them can be kept in the category undue praise.

All sites/pages on Mumtaz corroborate whatever is written about her in the article, and most of them are not mere fan sites.212.147.27.54 (talk) 14:06, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

The above statements are true. Please have a look also at the link http://www.filmfare.com/features/some-like-it-hot-mumtaz-4685.html, which is by Filmfare, the oldest and most reliable and respectable film magazine of India. It corroborates all the facts stated in the article.arungolas (talk) 11:18, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

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RfC: Are recent edits by Yamaguchi correct?

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Some of the edits by me have been undone repeatedly by one of the editors, without any discussions. In fact, I do not get any response to my repeated requests for discussions. Should we not call for the views from some Indian editors who are familiar with the life of Mumtaz? Juhi47 (talk) 09:59, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

As noted twice on your talk page, Wikipedia has strict policies in place concerning biographies of living persons. Reliable sources are required for all content changes. We cannot accept original research or material sourced from user-generated websites such as angelfire.com, as neither qualify as a reliable source. Please review Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources for an overview on what types of sources are generally accepted. Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 20:55, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Comment Unless the nature of the dispute is clearly stated, no editor is going to want to comment here. Implicitly this appears to be about the quality of sources being used. Pincrete (talk) 20:03, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

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RfC Mumtaz

There is a clear consensus that the sources provided here do not meet Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources so should not be used to verify content in the article. Cunard (talk) 05:08, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

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As per the links https://web.archive.org/web/20130224033306/http://movies.ndtv.com/bollywood/suraiya-most-enduring-ethnic-beauty-mumtaz-close-behind-334273 and http://stars.topnews.in/271073-suraiyas-ethnic-look-voted-best Mumtaz was voted the second-most-popular beauty in the poll conducted as part of the celebrations of 100 years of Indian cinema, in association with the International Indian Film Academy (IIFA), in 2012. However, this information has been deleted from her page.

The site http://www.wiseshe.com/2013/05/10-most-beautiful-indian-women.html ranks Mumtaz as one of the 10 most beautiful Indian women. When Mumtaz was active in Hindi Cinema, Internet was unheard of. So, whatever critical information about her professional life is available, is actually in print media. Transcripts of some of the articles are available at www.angelfire.com/celeb/mumtaz/articles.html. Other sources are the sites which have been created with memories of various persons following her life; her interviews; or information from her family members, etc. However the information exchanged in communications would hardly be available in print. It's not only impossible but also unethical to record the conversations. Hence, there would a large amount of information which cannot be cross-referenced tangibly. Anyway, let's have look at a single article where every word, every phrase, every sentence, and every para is cross-referenced!

The statement that "Jeetendra and Mumtaz acted in a number of films together, including unsuccessful films such as Boond Jo Ban Gai Moti (1967), Himmat, Kathputli, and Roop Tera Mastana, as well as successful one such as Jigri Dost (1969), Humjoli (where Mumtaz had a cameo role) and Ek Naari Ek Brahmchari (1971). Mumtaz also acted opposite Feroz Khan in Aag (1967), Aadmi Aur Insaan, Upaasna, Mela, Apradh, and Nagin; and with Sanjay Khan in Upasana, Dhadkan, Mela" does not seen contentious at all.

What's wrong in including the site "www.mumtaz.in" or "www.angelfire.com/celeb/mumtaz" which quotes a number of print media which are the national film magazines of India? Juhi47 (talk) 09:52, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

• The problem is that the sites are not independent, reliable sources. It's a fansite, and therefore completely unsuitable for use as a source on a BLP. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 23:14, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

• https://web.archive.org/web/20130224033306/http://movies.ndtv.com/bollywood/suraiya-most-enduring-ethnic-beauty-mumtaz-close-behind-334273, http://stars.topnews.in/271073-suraiyas-ethnic-look-voted-best, and http://www.wiseshe.com/2013/05/10-most-beautiful-indian-women.html don't seem to be fan sites. Moreover, how can any site be 100% reliable? Hasn't every site been created by some human being on the basis of some information available elsewhere? And for that matter what is the reliability of all the information in wiki pages and the referred links, and rest of the sites on Internet?

And ironically, some of the deleted information is available on the 'acceptable' external links in the article! Juhi47 (talk) 09:39, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

That isn't ironical, nor an indicator that the info originally came from the non-RS source. Nobody thinks thst everything is incorrect on a 'fansite'.Pincrete (talk) 09:51, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

That's what I am trying to say that the information which is available on so many other unrelated sites, is not at all incorrect; so the probability of it being untrue is extremely low. As I said earlier, the sites I referred, are not fansites, but are independent sites and what they state are the facts. Hence, there is no logical reason as to why such text shouldn't be retained? The possibility of transcripts of the printed media with details of the sources (magazines, press reporter, issue of the magazine, etc.) on http://www.angelfire.com/celeb/mumtaz/articles.html, being fake, is also even more improbable. Some issues may appear as fan's admiration description as the career of Mumtaz is almost like a fairy tale. And this fact is also reported in many narrations. Juhi47 (talk) 09:22, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

• WP:RS still applies. Wikipedia does not use fansites or tabloid magazines for good reason. Even if the material is "harmless", it does not meet the "generally reliable for statements of fact" standard which is a high barrier. Collect (talk) 12:51, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
• I agree with Collect that the sources don't appear to be reliable. FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 14:40, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
• But the 'news' about the film celebrities is published in tabloids and magazines only! Then how do we consider any news about them to be 'reliable'?Juhi47 (talk) 11:04, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

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