Talk:Muthappan

Do not agree

I do not agree merging Muthappan and Muthappan Theyyam, Theyyam is an artform and Muthappan is a God.

Kjrajesh--Rajesh Kakkanatt 06:22, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure if Theyyam is an art form, as it seems to be intimately connected to Malabar religious customs. Yet, I have seen Theyyam being conducted on the streets of Trivandrum in connection with Onam day celebrations. This, I think, was a misuse of a religious function.

Other than that, I am giving a link here to a write-up of mine on Muthappan done in an British site: [1] --Ved from Victoria Institutions (talk) 07:27, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Problems

This article has a big section of unnecessary quoted stories (with lots of grammatical errors, etc.), not to mention a major formatting issue. This article could be much better, but needs cleanup. --Cromwellt|talk 16:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Connection to Aryan Myths

I strongly disagree in connecting Muthappan and Aryan myths. I believe that Muthappan is the Fetish of the then inhabitants of Kerala (those who are considered now as the "Backward Caste" in North Malabar). After the Brahmin invasion from the north, they acquired prominence in the society and consideration from the Rajas. Brahmins started practising their rituals for the Rajas also. Till that time I believe, Buddhism was prominent. But once Rajas started giving importance to the Aryan rituals and started favoring Brahmins, slowly Buddhist power started sinking. The brahmins who were in good relation with the Rajas imposed their culture and rituals to the Rajas also and the people also forced to follow that. As a result the rituals followed by the local people also affected. Slowly the Aryan myths started fusing into the local myths and their gods. So I strongly believe that when they are linking Muthappan to Shiva or Vishnu, they are comparing Dravidian gods and culture to that of Aryans. Muthappan was a god of the tribes. As per the myth, he lead the tribal people of the hills, in the war against the landlords including Karakkaattitam Nayanar. Most notable thing is that Aryan devotions never included toddy, fish and dogs never seen in the myths. By saying Muthappan is the incarnation of Aryan gods, the Rajas and Brahmins tried to bring the local people under their command. But now it turned political. The new conservative political parties want the whole population other than the declared other religions to come under Aryan category, so that they can mobilize all those votes in the name of god.

You can say that there is only one god, but not one culture.

Madman 13:18, 27 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arun.punnathatta (talk • contribs)

This is logically correct. There is no connection with Aryan myth. Time line of worship in malabar is like this - tribal leader / ancestor worship - budhism - brahmanism - now a mix of all. Muthappan is a part of tribal leader ancestral worship. Proof is rituals and the name itself( grand father - ancestor ) even the story prevalent now is brahmanism influence ! Like muthappan did mistake and uppercase mother try to correct it. It's funny that people don't dwell into their history. Vn2525vn (talk) 12:10, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

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IS IT SAME THE MUTHAPPAN AND MANAPPULLI MUTHAPPAN? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SUNEER.P.S (talk • contribs) 17:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)