Talk:MyRadar

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 09:37, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that the weather app MyRadar created a satellite constellation to help predict the forecast?
• ALT0a: ... that the weather app company MyRadar created a satellite constellation to help predict the forecast?

• Source: https://spacenews.com/acme-myradar-constellation/

• ALT1: ... that the weather app MyRadar was created after the creator wondered if a meal he was eating outdoors would get rained out? Source: https://www.floridatrend.com/article/29787/an-orlando-app-developer-builds-on-his-50-million-downloaded-myradar
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Henry Kailimai

Created by Johnson524 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 18 past nominations.

Johnson524 14:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC). Starting review:

• New enough
• Long enough
• No issues with copyvio or WP:CLOP
• Sources all look to be WP:RS with appropriate in-line citations
• I'm not an expert on fair-use images, so I'll just raise a couple of questions and let somebody who knows more about this chime in:
  • File:2023 Volkswagen ID.4 running wireless CarPlay.jpg is a photograph of the screen. Does that count as a screen-shot as far as WP:SCREENSHOT and fair-use rationale goes?
  • The fair-use rationale for File:MyRadar screenshot.png includes The software or website from which the screenshot is taken is copyrighted and not released under a free license, so creation of a free image is not possible which kind of conflicts with the fact that we've got another image of it. How can these both be valid at the same time?
• ALT0 is by far the more interesting of the two hooks provided, and checks out. The wording is a bit funky, however. The app didn't create the constellation. The app's author, or ACME, or something like that did the creating, not the app. I see this point was already brought up on the talk page by Polygnotus.
• There's a {{dubious}} tag regarding 50 million downloads. This is cited to an industry publication which is basically an interview with the developer, so that's basically a self-reported number. We need something more authoritative.
• RoySmith (talk) 18:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Responding to a message at WT:DYK: depending on the source of the Dopplar imaging, a screenshot of the app (rather than the current composite) may actually be free. COM:TOO indicated that the threshold of originality for copyright in the US is fairly high, and the simple cloud designs (not the Dopplar) almost certainly cross it. No comment on the screen of the car display - I'd have to look at the logos more closely. Crisco 1492 mobile (talk) 19:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Looking at the Volkswagen screenshot, two logos may potentially be over the TOO (the map logo and the other navigation program) in the United States. One could argue de minimis for them, though. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Crisco 1492 I'm trying to understand your comment, but having trouble. Did you perhaps mean to say "the threshold ... is fairly low"? RoySmith (talk) 01:25, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• Hi RoySmith. I seem to have forgotten the word "don't" in my mobile comment; the simple cloud designs do not seem to pass the threshold of originality in the United States, based on the case law mentioned at COM:TOO. File:Avenue of the Saints logo.svg is useful in this context, as it shows that the assembly of non-copyrightable elements does not always result in new copyright (for instance, by including a cloud with raindrops as well as two sun symbols).  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:32, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
  • OK, thanks. I knew the two parts of the sentence didn't agree, I just wasn't sure which half was incorrect and I guessed wrong :-) RoySmith (talk) 01:34, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
    • My bad! I'm seeing that the weather map is created using machine learning AI, which gets into a grey area that I'm not familiar with. The existence of PD-algorithm suggests that the weather map itself is free, but if we were to talk about combining a weather map with low-originality images, I'd want someone more familiar with the ins-and-outs of AI.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:42, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
      • Actually, I suspect File:2023 Volkswagen ID.4 running wireless CarPlay.jpg should just be deleted from the article per MOS:IMAGEREL Images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, not primarily decorative. How does a photo of a generic CarPlay screen add anything significant to an article about MyRadar? MyRadar isn't even one of the apps shown on the screen. RoySmith (talk) 16:26, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
        • That sounds like a good approach; it doesn't have MyRadar installed, so it doesn't really illustrate its compatibility with Carplay.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 17:34, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
          • I've removed the image. Polygnotus (talk) 18:38, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
            • Thank you for removing the image and for all your feedback @Polygnotus: I really appreciate it! I just removed the dubious-discuss line about 50 million downloads, as no leading theory to the correct number of downloads seems to make sense. Can this DYK be passed now, or are there more issues to address? I am happy to help with anything else that needs to be done. Cheers! Johnson524 19:37, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
              • Thank you! Perhaps ALT0 could be changed to "weather app company" or something like that. I actually know very very little about the DYK process, but others here clearly do so I leave you in their capable hands. Polygnotus (talk) 04:04, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
                • @Polygnotus:  Done Thank you again! Johnson524 16:19, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Let me suggest for a hook:

ALT0b: ... that MyRadar uses a custom satellite constellation to help forecast the weather?

The image and {{dubious}} issues have been dealt with, so approved on everything but the hook wording. I'm not supposed to approve my own hook suggestions, so I'll leave that last bit to somebody else. RoySmith (talk) 18:02, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good to go. I do prefer ALT3. ALT0 feels ungrammatical. Earwig shows 9.8%, but looking through its either names or things that can be expressed in limited ways.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I think ALT3 looks good too, thank you for taking the time to come up with a more grammatical hook. Cheers! Johnson524 23:01, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Crisco 1492 could you please clarify which one you mean by "ALT3" (we don't seem to have an ALT2 either)? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:20, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Sorry, ~~ AirshipJungleman29. That was meant to be ALT0B.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 09:29, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Problems

@Johnson524:

• It says that the app has an active userbase of around fifteen million but only 50 million downloads, which is of course impossible.
• It also talks about satellites was launched by the app but of course apps can't launch satellites (did ACME? The company MyRadar?).
• It also says the app secured another US$1,200,000 in crowd funding but according to the source it was the company MyRadar, not the app MyRadar.
• The app is headquartered on 111 W. Jefferson Street no, perhaps the company is.

Polygnotus (talk) 22:20, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

While you cannot use the New York Post, because it is literally (yes, I am using that word correctly) shit, you can use Popular Science. https://www.popsci.com/technology/car-insurance-apps/ Polygnotus (talk) 22:23, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/09/technology/driver-scores-insurance-data-apps.html says After this article was published, MyRadar sent a statement that it “does not collect and sell user information for the purpose of generating driving scores.” Arity subsequently confirmed that MyRadar data has not been “shared with any insurance company for any purpose,” saying that it is “used for traffic and transportation analysis, as well as advertising.”] which may or not be a lie. Note that the New York Times is a reliable source, unlike the New York Post. Polygnotus (talk) 22:25, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Polygnotus, and I hope you are well. Thank you for all your recent contributions to the page! Many of the changes you implemented I was doing myself, when you beat me too it and put me in an edit conflict lol. I've implemented all of the changes you suggested, except the first one, because it is absolutely possible for an app with 50 million downloads to only be used by 15 million users regularly. With the ease of Googling the weather, it makes sense the app could sit dormant on a number of devices. Do you have any more recommendations? I'd love to implement them as I'm trying to get the article to GA. Cheers! Johnson524 23:07, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Hiya! I am fine, how are you? Sorry for the edit conflict. 30% is not a reasonable number. Anything above 25% would be truly exceptional and would require WP:EXTRAORDINARY sourcing, and this ain't that. 50 million downloads is possible. An active userbase of 15 million is possible. But you cannot have an active userbase of around 15 million after only 50 million downloads, except when it is a gambling app that hands out free money and directly injects dopamine into its users. An app sitting dormant on a device is not counted as an active user. Polygnotus (talk) 23:26, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps they mean 15 million active users for their data, which can be incorporated into other products and services? Polygnotus (talk) 23:45, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

The app had about 50 million downloads across iOS, Android, and Windows devices in 2024. can be interpreted as "The app had about 50 million downloads...in [the year] 2024. ". Unless they have access to the developer dashboard it is impossible for an reliable source to independently verify the number of downloads on the Apple App Store (you can only see a ranking in a category) and the Microsoft Store (#339 on the most popular app list). Google Play simply says 10M+ downloads. Because these stats are almost always lied about (there is rarely any incentive to be truthful, unless it is a criminal investigation) we should probably get rid of them. It is even more unlikely because the app provided free government-provided weather and radar data for the first decade of its existence. Polygnotus (talk) 05:41, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Also this is an article about an app, why does it have coordinates. That would make sense if it was an article about the company, which it is not. Polygnotus (talk) 05:48, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

the app launched a "meteorological wedding planning service" no, perhaps a company did? Polygnotus (talk) 05:51, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Is this article about an app or about a company? If its about the app, we should use {{Infobox software}}, not {{Infobox company}}. Polygnotus (talk) 06:11, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

When I saw the article earlier, I was wondering the same thing. A lot of info is present about the company along with the app. Focus should be more on the app but an intro explaining the company's founding and progressing to the app shouldn't be an issue. – The Grid (talk) 13:22, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I'd probably suggest separating MyRadar (the app) and MyRadar (the company), into two separate articles to prevent confusion. HasbroSaban (talk) 16:26, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@HasbroSaban: I see no reason why the article can’t be about the app with mentions about the company that runs it? I think a split would end up having a lot of overlapping information, and could make both articles less notable in the process. That’s just my thoughts though, cheers! Johnson524 18:53, 25 October 2024 (UTC)