Talk:My Opposition

Copyright statement

My grandfather, Friedrich Kellner, gave his diary to me in 1968, two years before he died. I sent a copy of the diary and the appropriate forms to the United States Copyright Office, and the official copyright is in my name. I do not mind making public those entries I have placed on Wikiquote, but I will not be placing the entire diary there. The diary is not yet published, but it is being prepared for publication at the Justus Liebig University (referred to as the University of Giessen) in Giessen, Germany. Rskellner 18:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

GA passed

I have passed this article according to the GA criteria. Adjustments to the 11 items listed for review are well completed. To help the article keep its GA status, please make sure that all new information added to the article is accurate and properly cited. Altogether, the article reads well. Keep up the good work!--VS ^talk 04:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

the book and original research

So, the book is unpublished? What exactly is being referenced when we have references to page numbers from the diary? Is this not original research? --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 00:42, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. This matter has previously been resolved. This historical document, which was recently on exhibit at the United Nations, is not in the category of "original research," which Wikipedia defines this way:

"Wikipedia does not publish original research or original thought. This includes unpublished facts, arguments, speculation, and ideas; and any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position. This means that Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own opinions, experiences, or arguments."

For current verification purposes, the Friedrich Kellner diary is at the Justus Liebig University in Giessen, Germany, and is being published by the Kellner Projekt there. --Rskellner (talk) 02:14, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Verification of the diary

The Kellner diary article, which is about a prime source historical document, does not come under the category of "original research." For Wikipedia purposes of verification, the diary is in the same unique category with documents such as the Barack Obama presidential acceptance speech. One day the Obama speech will appear in a published book, but until then it is verified only by newspaper stories and online videos. Such temporary verification is also available for the Friedrich Kellner diary.

But the diary has something even more substantial. For reference and verification purposes, we can use the Canadian documentary, "My Opposition: the Diaries of Friedrich Kellner." Throughout the documentary, which recounts the dramatic story of Friedrich Kellner, an actor reads diary entries while the camera scans pages of the diary. This film is available at CCI Entertainment in Toronto. The documentary was shown recently at United Nations Headquarters in New York, and they have copies of the documentary available in the United Nations Department of Public Information.

Regarding the diary's publication as a book, the professors at the Kellner Project at Justus Liebig University in Giessen, Germany, are close to finishing their major task of digitizing the entire ten volumes. They are even digitizing the hundreds of newspaper clippings that are pasted into the diary. The diary should soon find its way into print.

In the meantime, numerous excerpts from the diary, both in German and English, are available at this website, and this is given as a link on the Wikipedia articles about Friedrich Kellner.

Until the diary is published, it probably would be best to follow the example of the Wikipedia article about the Obama acceptance speech, and use the Reference section in place of a Notes section.--Rskellner (talk) 00:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

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I am reassessing this articles GA status as part of the WP:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force/Sweeps process. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:56, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Checking against GA criteria

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose):

   b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references):

   b (citations to reliable sources):

   c (OR):

3. It is broad in its scope.

   a (major aspects):

   b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):

   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   • I was initially concerned at the references to an unpublished book, but following the talk page discussion, I appreciate what is going on. Has the book been published yet? If so it would be good to see the references adjusted. I am happy to mainating the GA status. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:17, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

According to Dr. Sascha Feuchert of Justus Liebig University, co-editor of the Diary of Friedrich Kellner, the diary will be published February 2010 by Wallstein Verlag (Publishers) in Göttingen, Germany. It will be published in two volumes, a total of 1,200 pages. At that time, I will include proper reference to the book. --Rskellner (talk) 00:32, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

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COI

@Rskellner: Thanks for your recent edits on this article. However, from your username I am wondering if you might have a conflict of interest regarding this article. If that is the case, I suggest that you disclose your conflict Edit: It looks like you disclosed your COI above, but you might consider disclosing on your user page as well. Wikipedia conflict of interest policy has evolved since you started editing and it might be a good idea to review the current standards. Catrìona (talk) 01:00, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

• Thank you for the advice, which I have followed; you will note that I have posted an explanatory paragraph on my user page. When I first began (many years ago) to write about Friedrich Kellner on Wikipedia, the matter of my being a relative (grandson) was quickly resolved with other Wikipedia editors. They agreed that my position as a university professor made me aware of the potential for subjectivity in my writing, and I remained very attentive to it. I was grateful that Wikipedia editors realized the importance of the diary as a historically significant primary source document about the Third Reich, and allowed me to create the pages. Again, thank you for your suggestion about adding a COI statement to my user page. Rskellner (talk) 20:58, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

GA concerns

I am concerned that this article no longer meets the good article criteria. Some of my concerns are listed below:

• The article does not contain critical commentary of the contents of the diary.
• The article relies too much on block quotes in the summary of the diary.
• There is uncited text about the development and translation of the diary.

Is anyone interested in fixing up this article, or should this go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 04:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

To be fair, when it was promoted it hadn't received as many reviews. But now there is scholarly sources to cite for the reception.[1][2][3] (t · c) buidhe 05:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

My Opposition

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:00, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

This article does not contain critical commentary on this literature, of which possible sources were provided on the article talk page. There is also uncited text and an overreliance of block quotes. Z1720 (talk) 20:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delist. Overquoting, overreliance on primary sources, and absence of analysis (reception or not). czar 21:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

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