Talk:Myanmar protests (2021–present)

Requested move 17 January 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved to 2021–2022 Myanmar protests. There doesn't seem to be much interest in changing "protests" to "conflict", but there's consensus that the date should be updated as proposed. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 18:21, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

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2021 Myanmar protests → 2021–2022 Myanmar conflict – Are we still calling these massive clashes, airstrikes and military offensives simply “protests”? Jesus the date isn’t even up to date. 88.238.121.128 (talk) 13:29, 17 January 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 16:29, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Nastyasholr927 (talk) 13:31, 17 January 2022 (UTC)@

What you're asking for was already done, there was a proposed split last year which achieved a consensus that formed the 2021–2022 anti-coup insurgency in Myanmar article. I agree the name needs to be updated, however that's also already been requested. 109.78.213.15 (talk) 15:45, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

• strong oppose. There was no consensus on changing the title. This article is about the protests in Myanmar in 2021. A specific article has already been created for the armed clashes against the coup d'état: 2021–2022 anti-coup insurgency in Myanmar. It is not necessary to change the title now. --Fontaine347 (talk) 21:39, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
• This is still going on in 2022 so perhaps 2021–2022 Myanmar protests if the proposed title is rejected or just Myanmar protests. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:16, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose — However, I support a move to 2021–2022 Myanmar protests. CentreLeftRight ✉ 09:32,° 26 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose current proposal but I support a move to 2021–2022 Myanmar protests. Taung Tan (talk) 10:28, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

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Requested move 12 January 2023

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. No consensus on whether the protests are ongoing. This can be revisited if sources can be found. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 19:28, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

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2021–2022 Myanmar protests → 2021–present Myanmar protests – Protests are ongoing. 25stargeneral (talk) 08:27, 12 January 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 17:27, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Oppose moving to the chosen title, instead Move to 2021–2023 Myanmar protests. The title with "present" is a statement that is very likely to become outdated, so MOS:CURRENT recommends avoiding using it. However, this is also a current event the article on which is updated semi-regularly, so using "present" isn't too unreasonable either. A problem with using "2021–present" is that it might be difficult to judge when the protests have ended once they do, making a potential rename more debatable until the protests have long ended. Using a date range for the current events is a safer option even if it does lead to a need of maintenance every New Year.

There are plenty of Wikipedia articles on current events that have titles in the format of either "XXXX–present", "XXXX–2023", and "20XX–23" with little consistency, and I was unable to find anything in the MoS that specifically talks about how date ranges in the title for current events should be done, as this isn't mentioned in either WP:NCNUM or WP:NCEVENTS. I would also add Timeline of the 2021–2022 Myanmar protests to the move request. Randi Moth (talk) 14:57, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Oppose as per Randi Moth above. Also believe that if you want to say "2021-present" it should be Myanmar protests (2021-present) but this title is a lot weaker in my opinion. Furthermore, want to add a comment that a move to 2021-2023 Myanmar protests should be reliant on secondary sources discussing protests occuring in 2023. I did not move this article during the update or related 2021-2023 civil war pages because it was unclear if protests have continued at the moment.EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 14:04, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Support There is such a precedent already - The 2017-present Peruvian political crisis. Statskvinde (talk) 15:28, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Searching for more articles, in general the precedent seems to be that events that have been ongoing for several years are given "–present" treatment, while those that began in 2022 are more likely to have "–2023" and those that began in 2021 are spread roughly evenly. This makes sense: if an event has continued for a while, it's likely for it to continue longer, and so "Statements likely to become outdated" isn't as likely to apply in the near future, making putting "–present" more preferable to needing maintenance every year. In contrast, events that have begun in 2022 can be more likely to end in 2023 than to continue going.

To show the lack of precedent, some articles with "–2023" in their titles are 2022–2023 Peruvian political protests or 2021–2023 Iranian protests. If protests can be shown to be ongoing in 2023, since EmeraldRange has brought up that it's not clear if they actually are, precedent can't be used to decide on "–2023" or "–present" due to it being split roughly evenly for events that have begun in 2021. Randi Moth (talk) 17:19, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

@Randi Moth Yes, you're right. Actually, there aren't protests that have continued for years - they have continued for 2 years at max. My bad. Cheers. Statskvinde (talk) 20:37, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Support per precedent. --Tbf69 09:29, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

• Relisting comment: Relisting to get better consensus. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 17:27, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Wait/Oppose A move to "–present" or "–2023" may be warranted if there were news about protests happening in 2023. Unfortunately, from what I can gather [1] [2] [3] [4] [5], most of the news for January 2023 had been more about the abuses of the junta rather than protests in January itself. Updates to this article thus far for January 2023, are casualty figures and navigation links, no substantial edits about having protests in Jan 2023. There are however rumblings of upcoming protests/rallies to mark the anniversary of the coup and protesting against the new law on political parties' registration, but this is in the spectrum of WP:CRYSTAL for now. – robertsky (talk) 18:07, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support 2021–2023 Myanmar protests per Randi Moth. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:21, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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Requested move 7 February 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved (non-admin closure) ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 08:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

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2021–2022 Myanmar protests → 2021–2023 Myanmar protests – I don't feel strongly about how it's phrased, so let's try this alternate title that was suggested in the last RM. Protests are ongoing, the streets in Yangon went quiet as many people stayed home and refused to work on the coup anniversary on 1 February. 25stargeneral (talk) 04:57, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Support since there's a 'silent strike' on 1 Feb, only thing is to update this into the article. – robertsky (talk) 08:32, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Support - peaceful protests are protests. Statskvinde (talk) 17:00, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

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Requested move 26 February 2023

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Myanmar protests (2021–present). (closed by non-admin page mover) The Night Watch (talk) 18:33, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

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2021–2023 Myanmar protests → ? – Given that Myanmar civil war (2021–present) has now been moved, I think it makes sense to revisit the Talk:2021–2023 Myanmar protests#Requested move 12 January 2023.
I propose that one of the following titles be agreed upon:

• Myanmar protests (2021–present) - matches Myanmar civil war (2021–present) and Serbian protests (2020–present)
• Post-coup unrest in Myanmar (2021–present) - matches Post-coup unrest in Egypt (2013–2014)

Thanks, --- Tbf69 P • T 11:23, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Support move to Myanmar protests (2021–present). You're right. I always support the "[event] ([year] - present)" format and have always found the "[event] ([year] - [current year])" one to be very odd. De Statskvinde (talk). 18:10, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Support per nom to Myanmar protests (2021-present). Post-coup unrest is a big broad and the scope of the article excludes the war. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 02:41, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

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Casualties

Well, the AAPPB publishes their statistics on casualties and arrests daily. Other than that, however, the protests do not seem to have had much coverage as of late, hence the reversion of the latest update. The question, now, is whether to continue updating the figures, based on AAPPB data. 2A02:AB04:2C2:E300:915:A85C:88CC:7437 (talk) 20:56, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Nonetheless, the access-date should be updated every time the figures are updated. It is only one more thing that needs updating, & it alerts the reader who's looking for the source as to which citation is being used. Peaceray (talk) 00:30, 30 December 2023 (UTC)