Talk:NBA Defensive Player of the Year

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This article needs heavy re-editing and also may need to be protected from being vandalized. It is factually incorrect and contains material that are clearly pranks.

-.) Someone has listed Ben Wallace as having won the award 9 times. -.) In addition, the 1982-83 winner is listed Turd Fergerson of the Watertown Red Raiders. Obviously not a realy person or team. It's just someone defacing the article. 69.251.238.117 (talk) 02:34, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Trivia

This is moved from the article. Not sure what to do with this trivia-like info.

Teams with Defensive Player of the Year Award winners have typically performed well in the playoffs.

• 9 of the 14 Defensive Player of the Year Award winners have won NBA championships:
  • Michael Jordan (6 wins - '91, '92, '93, '96, '97, '98 with Bulls)
  • Dennis Rodman (5 wins - '89, '90 with Pistons, '96, '97, '98 with Bulls; 1 loss - '88 with Pistons)
  • Michael Cooper (3 wins - '85, '87, '88 with Lakers; 3 losses - '83, '84, '89 with Lakers)
  • Hakeem Olajuwon (2 wins - '94, '95 with Rockets)
  • David Robinson (2 wins - '99, '03 with Spurs)
  • Gary Payton (1 win - '06 with Heat; 2 losses - '96 with Sonics, '04 with Lakers)
  • Ben Wallace (1 win - '04 with Pistons; 1 loss - '05 with Pistons)
  • Alonzo Mourning (1 win - '06 with Heat)
  • Kevin Garnett (1 win - '08 with Celtics)
  • Dikembe Mutombo (1 loss - '01 with 76ers)
• In the 26 seasons since the award was first created, there have only been four in which the NBA finals did not have at least one past, present, or future NBA Defensive Player of the Year on either team - 1986, 2000, 2002, and 2007.
• 18 of the 26 NBA Champions since the 1983 season have had a Defensive Player of the Year on their roster. The 1996-98 Bulls (Jordan and Rodman) and the 2006 Miami Heat (Mourning, Payton) had two.
• No team featuring two NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award winners has ever lost in an NBA Finals: the Chicago Bulls teams of Rodman and Jordan won in 1996 (defeating Payton's Seattle Supersonics), 1997 and 1998; the 2006 NBA Finals was won by a Miami Heat team with both Alonzo Mourning and Gary Payton.
• Gary Payton and/or Dennis Rodman has been involved in every NBA Finals series involving at least 2 Defensive Players of the Year.
  • 1988: Lakers (Cooper) vs. Pistons (Rodman)
  • 1989: Lakers (Cooper) vs. Pistons (Rodman)
  • 1996: Bulls (Rodman, Jordan) vs. Supersonics (Payton)
  • 1997: Bulls (Rodman, Jordan) vs. Utah Jazz
  • 1998: Bulls (Rodman, Jordan) vs. Utah Jazz
  • 2004: Pistons (Wallace) vs. Los Angeles Lakers (Payton)
  • 2006: Heat (Mourning, Payton) vs. Dallas Mavericks—Chris! _ct 19:43, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

More trivia

There seems to be an edit war going on over the addition [1] of two pieces of information about the winners of the award, and their other honors. I agree that the footnotes are trivial, but I'm certainly willing to listen to both sides of the discussion. Dayewalker (talk) 04:23, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I seriously don't know why this is even a issue. It isn't trivial since it gives readers more information. I think the notes should go back in.—Chris! _ct 05:38, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Just because its factual information doesn't mean it belongs. It's completely unrelated to the article. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 05:55, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Not completely, and it is related to the article in some way, as its the players' nationalities, which is somehow important. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]_{call me Keith} 06:05, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

To be honest, my main purpose in coming here was to prevent the edit war which was taking place (and is now in one case past 3RR), and try to get a discussion going so no one would get blocked. I think it's a minor issue either way and certainly not worth edit warring over. It does seem unrelated to the purpose of the article, though. Similar articles such as [National Football League Defensive Player of the Year Award] and [Cy Young Award] don't have those kinds of footnotes to other achievements (although the NFL Defensive Award does list when a player wins multiple awards). Dayewalker (talk) 06:07, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

For anyone who's interested in this page, these notes provide additional meaningful information. First note mentions that the player was voted as an overall best player, as well; this helps the readers learn more about basketball and how important defense is. The second note mentions that this player has won a Championship, which helps our readers realize that to succeed any team needs defense. Don't forget that most people who come and read this page are young kids who love basketball. Anyhow, these notes are not saying what grade the players got on their tests or anything like that. So, it's considered vandalism when these notes are taken out. I am just reverting this vandalism; therefore, I don't cross any 3RR. --Crzycheetah 06:10, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

(OD)As an aside to Crzycheetah, you are very much wrong about vandalism and the 3RR rule. Any editors good faith attempt to improve the wiki, including removing trivia (which is what his opinion of the footnotes was), is not vandalism and is not immune to the 3RR rule. Please read those sections carefully, I'd hate for you to get in trouble in the future. Dayewalker (talk) 06:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Why do you give a fuck?!? Just kidding! Thanks for caring about me.--Crzycheetah 06:24, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah, my only userbox comes back to haunt me. Seriously, I was just trying to step into what looked like a fairly heated content dispute and direct things to the talk page before someone wound up blocked. I think it's trivial as per my examples above, but whatever consensus is here, I'm fine with that. Dayewalker (talk) 06:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I do appreciate your help. You're right, things were heating up quickly, but WP:CONSENSUS is essential.--Crzycheetah 06:42, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't think the "Nationalities" section is necessary. The countries of origin do not affect who wins the award. I'm undecided on the footnotes. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:40, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

This discussion is about footnotes about other awards, not nationality.—Chris! _ct 19:06, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

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