Talk:Nancy Hiller

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Don't source statements like "Hiller has written articles for outlets including..." to the actual articles themselves; if secondary sources are not mentioning that she has written these articles, then it is not due weight to mention them..

_signed, Rosguill ^talk 23:27, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

• @Rosguill: Thank you! That makes sense and I will work on fixing that section and citing with secondary sources. Would that apply as well in the case of the following sentence: "She has authored books including..." and then cite the actual books? Citing that statement from a book review makes more sense now. Thank you for reviewing and for the feedback! Terasaface (talk) 00:49, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

  Terasaface, I feel like I'm personally inclined to be a bit more lenient with actual books given how much more significant writing a book is to a given person's life (assuming that the book is published professionally). Still, secondary sources should always be the basis of the content that we write on Wikipedia, with primary sources used only as supplementary coverage for claims that have already been mentioned in secondary sources. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 01:01, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Rosguill! I've changed the original format and added secondary sources under "author". Thank you!Terasaface (talk) 01:29, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Categories

Hi, Bearcat, I noticed you changed some things around with the categories on this page and had some questions. First, why did you remove the category "women in craft"? I run a group dedicated to editing the pages of women in the fields of craft, and we use have been expanding this category tag. It seems like if there is a tag for "women artists" then there should also be one for women craftspeople. Let me know your thoughts. For changes such as changing "writer" to "American writer" make sense to me but I get stuck up on removing this page from "woodworkers" and keeping it only in the category "women woodworkers". There is no sub-category for male woodworkers so then the category of "woodworkers" is all men which seems odd. I am trying to learn more about categories and would appreciate your assistance!

Thank you, Terasaface (talk) 21:36, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

The reason she doesn't need to be in Category:Woodworkers alongside Category:Women woodworkers is that she's already in subcategories of Category:American woodworkers. The use of undifferentiated "Occupation" categories is supposed to be minimized as much as possible — rather, all (or nearly all) people in an occupational category should be diffused by nationality whenever possible, instead of being filed directly in the most general "Occupation" category. Essentially, the only time a person should ever appear directly in Category:Woodworkers at all is if the country they're from doesn't have its own "Nationality woodworkers" subcategory at all yet, and even then that usually means their country's "Nationality woodworkers" subcategory should be created rather than simply leaving the person in "Woodworkers".

As for "Women in craft", that should be treated the same way: it should not just be a giant catchall category that directly contains every woman who works in anything that can be called craft — if a subcategory already exists for "women in [specific craft]", such as "Women woodworkers", then that category should be filed as a subcategory of "Women in craft" instead of "Women in craft" being applied alongside "Women woodworkers" to every individual woman. Bearcat (talk) 21:43, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @Bearcat:, that clears up a lot! It looks like "women woodworkers" and others are subcategories of "women in craft". That makes sense to me - put it in the most specific category possible and then the larger category serves to host the subcategories. So, the only reason someone should be in the larger "women in craft" is if there is no subcategory, such as "women broom makers" or something? I'm going to take a look at some other pages I've worked on and see if I can make the categories more specific. Thanks! Terasaface (talk) 15:42, 24 March 2020 (UTC)