Talk:National calendars of the Roman Rite

Title of the split

First of all, splitting the article of the GRC is a good idea, although, in my humble opinion, it would have been better to make a single article for every regional calendar. Which brings me to my point: "National variants of the…" is a rather unlucky expression, as, up to my knowledge, they are called "regional (liturgical) calendar".--Medusahead (talk) 09:08, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

I don’t think that splitting National calendars of the Roman Rite further would be a good idea. My reasons:

* each article could have a different format;

* all calendar propers in this articular are national calendars (which is a subgroup from particular calendars).

As for regional (liturgical) calendars: no, you are not right. You should read the Universal Norms on the Liturgical Year and the General Roman Calendar (esp Chapter II, Title I, 52.). Actually, there different type of the Roman Calendar according to UNLY:

* General Roman Calendar (or simply General Calendar);

* particular calendars (any and all of the calendars below);

* diocesan calendars;

* religious calendars;

* calendars for individual churches.

However, according to usage or (if you wish) the location where the particular particular calendar is used, we use additional calendar types:

* national calendars (celebrated by a single nation or country);

* regional calendars (celebrated by a particular region or even a group of countries or episcopal conferences);

* ‘continental’ calendars (this one is less often used term, as no one actually uses such a calendar, but every national calendar inherits celebrations first from the GRC, then from the continental calendar).

Therefore I think that the current article name is specific enough, because it lists national calendars and it does that for the Roman rite only. 7otto (talk) 23:20, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

On a second thought, we might want to split the article by continents, however, I still think that splitting the articule even further gains no good. 7otto (talk) 23:25, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Change the format to table and add a Change type column

(Related to Talk:General_Roman_Calendar#National_calendars:_add_‘drop’_and_‘move’)

I think it would be much more readable if we change the format of the calendar propers to tables. Then we could sort the tables according to different columns.

Finally, I think a column with the type of change (addition, transfer to a different date, rank raise/lowering, addition of a title) would be nice to have.

For example, this could be a table for National calendars of the Roman Rite#Slovakia:

Date	Celebration	Rank	Change type
23 April	Saint Adalbert, bishop and martyr	Memorial	addition
24 April	Saint George, martyr	Optional Memorial	transfer
29 April	Saint Catherine of Siena, virgin and doctor of the Church, patroness of Europe	Feast	European rank raise and patronage addition
4 May	Saint Florian, martyr	Optional Memorial	addition
11 May	Blessed Sára Salkaházi, virgin and martyr	Optional Memorial	addition
16 May	Saint John Nepomucene, priest and martyr	Memorial	addition
2 July	Visitation of the Blessed Virgin Mary	Feast	transfer
5 July	Saints Cyril, monk, and Methodius, bishop, Slavic Missionaries, patrons of Europe	Solemnity	rank raise and transfer of a European addition
7 July	Saint Anthony Zaccaria, priest	Optional Memorial	transfer
11 July	Saint Benedict, abbot, patron of Europe	Feast	European rank raise and patronage addition
17 July	Saints Andrew Zorard and Benedict, eremites	Memorial	addition
23 July	Saint Bridget, religious, patroness of Europe	Feast	European rank raise and patronage addition
27 July	Saint Gorazd and companions	Memorial	addition
30 July	Blessed Zdenka Cecília Schelingová, virgin and martyr	Optional Memorial	addition
9 August	Saint Teresa Benedicta of the Cross, virgin and martyr, patroness of Europe	Feast	European rank raise and patronage addition
18 August	Saint Helena	Optional Memorial	addition
7 September	Saints [Marko Krizin]], Melchior Grodziecki and Stephen Pongracz, priests and martyrs	Memorial	addition
15 September	Our Lady of Sorrows, patroness of Slovakia	Solemnity	addition
16 October	Saint Gall, priest	Optional Memorial	addition
25 October	Saint Maurus, bishop	Optional Memorial	addition
26 October	Dedication of consecrated churches whose date of Consecration is unknown	Solemnity	addition (where applicable)
2 November	All Souls	Memorial	rank lowering
4 December	Saint Barbara, virgin and martyr	Optional Memorial	addition
Thursday after Pentecost	Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Eternal High Priest	Feast	addition

7otto (talk) 23:01, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

@7oto: I've actually been working on this same idea! Our systems are very similar. Mine currently isn't sortable, however (due to colspan cells); do you think there's value to sortability for this type of data? Jdcompguy (talk) 02:29, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Well, sortability is not a must-have thing, but might be nice to have. Imagine a user might want to sort the celebration by ranks or celebration name or change type. It might be useful, but it is not a necessary feature. :)

I don’t mind removing sortability, but what gains do we have using colspans here? 7otto (talk) 17:54, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

In my table draft I'm using rowspans (not colspans; my mistake) on the months, like this:

Month	Day
January	27
	28
	31
February	2
	3

I think it looks nice, but I'm just thinking out loud on the question of whether sortability is a greater advantage than the aesthetics of rowspan months. Jdcompguy (talk) 02:19, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Well, while it looks nice, how do you output dates of movable celebrations like Thursday after Pentecost? It is neither month nor date. Would you rowspan the cells?

That said, I like it from DRY point of view. 7otto (talk) 05:04, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jdcompguy, besides the issue of movable celebration dates, we need to add a Notes (or Remarks) column, as some celebrations currently have some notes added, esp when the celebration coicides which other celebration(s).

I’d like to update the celebration list format to use tables in the articles (gradually, not all at once), but I don’t want to decide the format on my own.

Other, related issues I’d like to see fixed (ideally alongside changing the format to table) are:

- remove canonisation level from links;

- capitalise first letters of titles in celebration names. 7otto (talk) 12:33, 22 July 2022 (UTC)