Talk:National identification number

India

• What does "add with individual state code as per issue state a unique no of district." mean? this seems like someone meant to delete it and forgot, so I will move it here. If the author can clarify, we can add it back. If not, it's nonsense in english.67.186.57.206 (talk) 02:28, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Romania

• the "checksum" term when reffering to romania is unnapropriate. there is no such a thing as checksum, thus I tagged it as original research. Please consider my email address if argue troianii@gmail.com or use phone +040742101423.
• number 4 when reffering to Bucharest is also not true. 4 or 40 is the telephone association CC|TT country alloc public phone extension within europe (read Romania@itu e-123 & e-164. true Bucharst telephone extension is 021 or 031 depending on the network.

paul188.25.49.193 (talk) 18:39, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

• While "control digit" is the correct term to use in this context, I don't see any problem with "checksum" being used instead. The Bucharest county code is correct, you are making a confusion between area calling codes and county codes which are two different concepts.

Iulian.butunoi (talk) 14:49, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

94.176.102.31 (talk) 17:57, 22 September 2016 (UTC): Bucharest has a "country zone" from 41 through 46. I don't know for 40. Phone numbers are irrelevant for the purpose of this page. Also I back Iulian up for saying that "checksum" is a better term when we speak English (and the fact that it essentially is a checksum). Also I find nothing to back the "99" zone thing (that's the reason I came in here; the Romanian Wikipedia doesn't mention that thing)

References

USA

Many political parties including Action For Justice (AFJ) www.action4justice.com consider the use of the SSN as a form of a National Identification Number (NIN) to be unconstitutional and violates among others, the fundamental right to privacy.

http://action4justice.com is The website for AFJ.

Some religious groups even speculate that the SSN is the precursor, or already is, the prophesized Mark of the Beast. Luis F. Gonzalez 18:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

ydxx Ratonhosanmoon (talk) 19:10, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Taiwan

http://jidanni.org/comp/checksums/taiwanidchecksum is Taiwan ID checksum computation, but sorry mostly just the math.

Malaysia

I removed the bit that suggested the last 4 digits may denote the blood type as this is exceedingly unlikely. I have no idea what my blood type even though I'm 24 is nor do I suspect many 12 year old kids when they get their ICs/MyKads (although in my case I could probably work out based on my siblings who do know and I should be able to find out my fathers). It's not something you provide on the form so it's rather unlikely the government will know either. They could in some cases work out from the parents but not all cases (and that's assuming they know the blood type of the parents) Nil Einne 12:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The last 4 digits is randomly generated but the last digit is used to differentiate between male and female using odd and even numbers. The notion of these digits represent specific element, information or segregation is untrue.

I don't recall being asked my blood type when I applied for MyKad, in 2004. Snow cat 05:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Outdated

The info is somewhat outdated now as per the MyKad article and JPA site multiple codes are used for several states and the country codes have extended past 85. I'm a bit lazy to update it Nil Einne (talk) 14:19, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Hong Kong

[minor edit] the letters and numbers are of course not arbitrary. Go check out the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HKID esp the chinese one will tell you exactly what the letters mean, and there's a math formula for the numbers, hence the check "digit" at the end, duh.

Japan

I don't know if Japan has anything like a national identification number, but most people do have a personal seal (a hanko) which is usually custom made and is registered with the government. Any kind of official form requires your personal seal.

This is a big issue in Japan. It would be really good to add a Japanese section to this article. Japan does not have a national ID number, and this has for decades allowed wealthy Japanese to cheat the income tax laws by creating multiple bank accounts at different banks, none of which individually have enough balance to cause taxable interest. I think the lack of a national ID also enables criminality in many other ways with regard to bank accounts, notably contributions to politicians. I don't think there is any law against using multiple hanko (seals), as long as you use the same one at the same bank, so this does not serve the purpose of a national ID. The lack of a national ID in Japan, and its financial criminality implications, are another one of those mysterious parts of Japan which remain unexplained to the general public and to foreign countries. It is a dark area of the Japanese social system, and it would be good for Wikipedia to shed some light on it. --Westwind273 (talk) 05:05, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Redirection

The redirection from "account number" to "National identification number" is highly misleading, since an "account number" is normally associated with bank or other financial accounts. I suggest that the this redirection be removed, or at least changed so that "account number" goes to "IBAN" (international bank account number).

Norway

Moved this text written by anonymous 217.68.102.69 at 2007-10-29T11:15:19 from the article:

There could be something wrong with this text, I am english and learning Norsk, but an offical document seems to be different. Here is a link to it. SSN Fødselsnummer

Plutix 11:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

The information in the article is taken directly from the secondary law. You can read it here. The document you found is not an official document, and it is apparently wrong. Plutix 11:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Sweden

It has been said that a number of foreign tourists to Sweden were even asked to provide their personnummer to receive certain services and that is ridiculous.

This sounds abit biased to me. 90.230.54.138 (talk) 16:37, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

It is a fact that the "personnummer" is used in the medical care to keep track of the patients. Patients in medical care should not be mismatched, that is a medical hazard. Therefore the "personnummer" is always asked for. One should be able to get medical care as a foreign tourist anyway, either as a EU citizen of with a medical travel insurance, but they will ask. To open a bank account the "personnummer" is absolutely needed, plus a Swedish identity document with the "personnummer" on. I don't know if tourists need that. It would be nice to know what the bold text above refers to.-- BIL (talk) 23:07, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I corrected the text so that men are odd and women are even. See the main article on the Swedish ID number which confirms this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.29.76.37 (talk) 18:31, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

South Africa

The rules provided in the article around the meaning of the characters needs to be adjusted as it is not accurate.

For example the characters GSSS are actually one number i.e the sequence 0001 - 4999 designates females born on YYMMDD or the ID Number. Also the designation of the Citizenship is a two digit number with 26 and 31 designated for refugees. Guy Dryden 18:37, 01 June 2009 (SAST)

Finland

I added the term "personal identity code" as it seems to be more prevalent then "personal identification number" on English-language Finnish government web pages (example). Lee Choquette (talk) 06:22, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

The Finland section contains the text "The checksum character is known to have deviations from mentioned, but these are rare. One possible reason can be vast number of children born in one day.". According to my reading of what I take to be the authoritative source on Finnish personal identity numbers [1] this is not mentioned, and since no source is given to the statement, I suggest that we remove the text. Tgwizard (talk) 08:05, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Code (Javascript/Ruby)

Any programming code on the page should be turned into a mathematical formula/function or an algorithm with all the steps laid out. The source code may not work on all computers and does not stand the test of time (the languages may disappear tomorrow or their syntax may change). --OMouse (talk) 19:35, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Chile

Whilst the algorithm to obtain de verification number of the RUN is indeed of public knowledge, it is believed to be ethically reprehensible to widely reveal it (as it is done in this article) since it facilitates identity theft. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Javiersanj (talk • contribs) 12:17, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Turkey

In Turkey, does the sentence "an 11-digit number with two trailing check digits" means 11 digits and then two trailing digits or 9 digits and then two trailing digits? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.113.127.226 (talk) 22:25, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

New Zealand

"the small population means a name and date of birth can usually uniquely identify someone"

This isn't really true, and I think this misleading claim should be removed. Linking data sets based on name & date of birth runs into all sorts of problems and the quality of the linkage can vary widely depending on the quality of the data. To get a sense of some of the problems, refer to the article on record linkage. e.g. are Bill Jones, William M. Jones and Will Jones Snr the same person? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.204.89 (talk) 09:35, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Hungary

Outdated info about Hungary. Corrected. --maxval (talk) 15:05, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

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United States Selective Service Number

The part of this article which mentions the United States has one sentance mentioning Selective Service Numbers. Although most men in the US have this number, it was never used as a National Identification Number, and thus shouldn't be mentioned in this article.

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Germany

The reason(s) why Germany does not have a National identification number in the full meaning of the word, is things that happened 1933-1945. They used the wrong way around. 2A01:799:322:5400:69C6:A20C:7409:DB96 (talk) 23:05, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

JMBG/EMBG

Hi, I'm just wondering if the "or JMBG/EMBG" in the head of this article is actually relevant to English-language Wikipedia. I don't see these terms used in English ever, even when talking about the countries that use them. "Unique master citizen number" or "citizen identification number" both appear much more frequently, and they're not on there. I'm just wondering if leaving the non-English acronyms on English Wikipedia might just make people more confused, especially considering that the meaning of the acronyms does not appear in the article's head. ~Asheiou (talk) (they/them) 01:59, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

pakistan 154.80.86.215 (talk) 09:45, 28 January 2024 (UTC)