Talk:National symbols of Serbia

Criteria issues with some of the symbols that were listed previously

1. Official language is not the official symbol of any country, nor that is the case with Serbian as the official symbol of Serbia. Constitution of Serbia defines official symbols of the country in the Article 7 as flag (Civil flag and State flag), coat of arms (as Greater coat of arms and Lesser coat of arms) and the anthem. Language per se is neither an unofficial symbol of country in sense that is not an emblematic symbol, it is official language of a country and that's it.

2. Karađorđević Crown Jewels are not in any sense Serbian national symbol. Serbia is state with republican form of government and that regalia were used only once, at the coronation of King Peter I of Serbia in 1904, neither before nor after that (e.g. coronation of the King Alexander I in 1921). They don't represent pan-national symbol in a sense that they are perceived as such by the general public, they are valuable museum artefacts of the Historical Museum of Serbia. Interestingly enough, regalia of the United Kingdom, which are the only working set in Europe and are the most historically complete of any regalia in the world with the continuous use for over 800 years, are not listed as the national symbol of the United Kingdom in related article.

3. Wild boar is not perceived as national animal of Serbia whatsoever. It is not present in national psyche nowhere as much as wolf. Other than its presence in some historical coat of arms (such as one of the First Serbian Uprising) and contemporary municipal coat of arms and, animal doesn't have any symbolic importance in the public eye.

4. Serbian ramonda is not a national flower of Serbia. Other than having Serbian in its name (e.g. Serbian Spruce has Serbian in its name and is not considered a national tree by any means), it is not considered as such nor sources provided back that claim either (second source doesn't even mention it but only Natalie's ramonda). Natalie's Ramonda is considered as WWI remembrance symbol in Serbia and worn as such.

5. Stefan Nemanja is not considered father of the Serbian nation but Karađorđe and Miloš Obrenović - those two are founding fathers of a modern Serbian nation. Nation as a concept didn't even exist in the High Middle Ages when Stefan Nemanja lived. Stefan Nemanja is a founder of Nemanjić dinasty and one of the most consequential rulers in Serbian history but that doesn't mean that he is a father of the nation, which again as a concept didn't even exist in his time.

6. UNESCO World Heritage sites are not national monuments in sense that they are emblematic symbols of Serbian people and culture (e.g. Felix Romuliana in a strict sense is not even a Serbian cultural monument but Roman monument) but are cultural heritage sites and they should and are listed in separate, more appropriate article. Comparatively, not a single National symbols wiki article of European countries list UNESCO World heritage sites as national monuments. One should take a look at an article of similar culture and neighbouring country to Serbia, that of Bulgaria: as Bulgarian national monument is listed Rila Monastery, not the other nine UNESCO sites. Church of Saint Sava fullfils criteria for Serbian national monument in a sense that it is an emblematic Serbian national and cultural symbol, perceived as such by Serbs themselves.

7. National art: there are three art pieces that are emblematic and have place in Serbian national psyche: White Angel fresco, the Kosovo Maiden and the Migration of the Serbs paintings. What are criteria for other two pieces (The Proclamation of Dušan's Law Codex and Great People's Assembly of Serbs, Bunjevci and other Slavs in Banat, Bačka and Baranja)? Are they present and recognized among wider public as defining national artworks and symbols? What these two sets apart from pieces of, for example, Nadežda Jovanović or Petar Lubarda?

8. Pirot carpet is one of many traditional handicrafts in Serbia, one of the most important and recognizable though, but not enough to be considered a national symbol. Why include Pirot carpet and not Zlakusa pottery, for example? Klačko (talk) 09:11, 9 January 2024 (UTC)