Talk:Nativism (politics)

PL

Suggest a section on Poland. – Sca (talk) 12:28, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Nativist

"native peoples such as Celts, Anglo-Saxons or Norsemen"; all of these groups colonized the land they became associated with. How does that imply "native"? Zilch-nada (talk) 14:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Introductory paragraph

"Despite the name, and in the US in particular," Why in the US in particular?

"this position is usually held by the descendants of immigrants themselves, and is not a movement led by Indigenous peoples" Editorialising.

"as opposited to Nativists in Europe who are descended from native peoples such as Celts, Anglo-Saxons" This is also frowned upon by the same type of people who would oppose American nativism, and is only used here as a rhetorical cudgel.

"or Norsemen" We don't use the term "Norsemen" much these days. Has the person who wrote this ever left their academic bubble?

I suggest deletion. 178.167.166.119 (talk) 23:25, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Ill-defined and incoherent

This article is very incoherent and nativism is poorly defined and contextualized. Almost everything not related to the US seem to fall under Opposition to immigration, and US nativism already have a separate article Nativism in United States politics - which in itself by and large seem to equate to "anti-catholic sentiment in 19th century United States".

This article would benefit from removing everything related to general anti-immigration sentiment and focus specifically on political policies that favor native inhabitants as opposed to immigrants or policies that encourages or discourages immigration of some ethnicity. Even then it is debatable if this isn't already described in other articles such as Nationalism, Ethnic nationalism, Ethnocentrism, Racism, Racial discrimination and Racial segregation.

So perhaps the most reasonable would be to delete this article and rename "Navtivism in United States politics" to "Nativism" since that seem to be the only case where nativism have a specific meaning and historical context.

Side note:

It is also weird to specify what something does not refer to:

"In the United States, nativism does not refer to a movement led by Native Americans, also referred to as American Indians."

It is much better phrased under section "1830-1860":

"Nativism gained its name from the "Native American" parties of the 1840s and 1850s. In this context "Native" does not mean Indigenous Americans or American Indians but rather those descended from the inhabitants of the original Thirteen Colonies." 79.138.18.89 (talk) 05:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

edit request

I tried to fix the us-centric thing by moving that part as a note to the us section but i had trouble with references throwing errors and i dont know how to do it, so if someone could move that part to the US section to fix the usa centric issue from the top of the page

i tried to turn this: "In the United States, nativism does not refer to a movement led by Native Americans, also referred to as American Indians.^{[4][United States-centric]}" into "^{[Note 1]}" in the United States section, that would show the full text on mouseover but i failed Wojtekpolska1013 (talk) 12:04, 30 November 2024 (UTC)