Talk:Nayaks of Kandy

Message to SriSuren

You seem to have got the book wrong. I am referring to the following book:
1) Robert Knox. (1989). An historical relation of the island Ceylon, Volume 1, page 43, Publisher: Tisara Prakasakayo Ltd., 1989. Original from the University of Michigan digitized on 30 Aug 2008 [[1]] which states that

"It may be recalled that in 1623 Senarat leagued himself with the Naik of Tanjore and Hollanders in Pulicat to settle the future of Jaffna. It had been promised to his daughters-in-law the former princesses of Jaffna who married Senarat’s step-sons Kumarasingha and Vijayapala"

Additionally you can also find the relationship between Jaffna and Kandy from the following sources:

2) Abeyasinghe, Tikiri. (1986). Jaffna under the Portuguese (page 12), Publisher: Lake House Investments, 1986. Original from the University of Michigan digitized on 25 May 2006, which says:

“Some years later, in 1628-1629, the king of Kandy, Senarat, sent his forces on two occasions to occupy the Jaffna lands. His object seems to have been two-fold-to break through the ringfence with which the Portuguese were encircling his kingdom, with their seizure of Trincomalee in 1623-4 and Batticaloa in 1628, and also to test the claims of two princesses of Jaffna, nieces of sankili who were married to senarat's sons”

3) For a somewhat detailed perspective of the marital relationships shared between Kandy and other kingdoms (especially Madurai Nayaks and Tanjore Nayaks), please refer to the works of Lorna Srimathie Dewaraja, especially the one titled “A study of the political, administrative, and social structure of the Kandyan Kingdom of Ceylon, 1707-1760”. From other books also you can find that Senarat had married his predecessor Vijayadharma Suriya’s widow and her daughters by her first husband.

4) Books by Julius Stein van Gollenesse, Gerrit Joan Vreeland, Sinnappah Arasaratnam and Anuradha Seneviratna, also provide details of marital relationships of Kandy kings with others (especially the Nayaks), such as the daughters of Nadukattu Sami Nayakkar, Venkataperumal Nayak, etc given away in marriage to the Kandyan side.

5) Hope you will find that marital relationships served to enhance ties or settle embittered disputes; and therefore such marriages were not uncommon in the history of the ruling families of Tanjore, Madurai, Kandy, Kotte, Jaffna, etc.

--= No ||| Illusion = (talk) 03:09, 19 August 2011 (UTC)Mayasutra

Clarification sought

It is not clear if the princesses of Jaffna were daughters-in-law to the Kandy king Senarat alone, or were some Jaffna princesses also daughters-in-law to the Tanjore king Raghunatha Nayak. It seems very probable that a Rameswaram proteage of Raghunatha Nayak was married to a Jaffna princess. However i am not able to find the names and the relationship is not very clear also. For now i have deleted references in this regard (on Raghunatha Nayak) in this article as well as the Jaffna Kingdom article. If anyone has info on this please clarify. Thanks. --= No ||| Illusion = (talk) 03:04, 22 August 2011 (UTC)Mayasutra

Kandy Nayakas are part of the Sinhalese monarchy

This article is about the Kandy Nayaks who ruled the Sinhalese kingdom of Kandy. They were a dynasty within the Sinhalese dynasty/monarchy and has nothing to do with Sri Lankan Tamil ethnic group. Tamilan101 is trying to construct a theory by inserting an Infobox about Sri Lankan Tamils into the article. Therefore the Infobox is removed. WP:OR, WP:SYN and WP:FRINGE.
Explanation: This dynasty was formed when king Narendra Sinha adopted his Queen's youngest brother, as son and heir, in 1732, and when the king died in 1739, this prince assumed the Sinhalese throne as Sri Vijaya Rajasinha (page 39, The history of Sri Lanka, by Patrick Peebles), in other words, he assumed the Sinhalese throne, because he was the adopted son and heir of king Narendra Sinha and had been chosen for the position by king Narendra Sinha himself. The Nayaka kings didn't rule in the capacity of being Nayakas or Telugus, but as any other Sinhalese king, and they have absolutely nothing to with the Sri Lankan Tamils. They were ethnic Telugus of the Vaduga caste and not Tamils of any kind. If we are going to have infoboxes about different ethnic groups of Sri Lanka in this article we might as well include an infobox on the Sri Lankan Muslims too. As said, this article is about the Nayaks of Kandy, who ruled the Sinhalese kingdom of Kandy and they are not part of Sri Lankan Tamil ethnic group. Therefore the edit where Tamilan101 inserted the infobox about Sri Lankan Tamil ethnic group is reverted. In your own explanations here you yourself say that these people had nothing to do with SL-Tamils and that the Nayaks were not of Tamil ancestry, but of Telugu ancestry, in a couple of places. All reliable information and sources say that they were ethnic Telugus, and therefore obviously they were originally Telugu speakers not originally Tamil speakers, as you claim. Ref: The history of Sri Lanka, by Patrick Peebles. Page 39.--SriSuren (talk) 04:29, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

This edit has nothing to do with the Kandyan Kingdom. He was a king who spoke Tamil, but was of Indian/Andhra ancestry. The Nayaks of Kandy spoke Tamil because their origins were from Madurai Nayak Dynasty where the language used was Tamil. The Nayak kings of Kandy are more related to Eelam Tamils than to Sinhalese because they share the same language. This also relates to Sri Lankan Tamil history because the Nayaks had matrimonial ties with the Jaffna Kingdom and Madurai. This infobox however has absolutely nothing to do with ethnicity, but since the Nayaks of Kandy are well known to Sri Lankan Tamils, this is also apart of Sri Lankan Tamil history because Sri Lankan Tamil history has ties with mainland South India as well, which is the reason why the infobox should not be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tamilan101 (talk • contribs) 06:22, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

If by your own admission, the infobox has nothing to do with the Kandyan kingdom, do not add it, because this article is about the Kandy Nayaks who ruled the Kandyan kingdom. Being well known to the Tamils does not make the Nayaks part of your "Ealam Tamil" history, whatever that is... If the Nayaks had matrimonial ties with the Jaffna "kingdom", could you please specify them? There is no mention in any of the available literature that the Nayaks had matrimonial ties with Jaffna "kingdom". I have checked most of what is written about the Nayaks. You are right about SL Tamils and south India, but SL-Tamil history does not only have ties with mainland South India, SL-Tamil history is more or less part and parcel of Tamil Nadu, i.e an extension of Tamil nadu, sharing the language, culture and history, as you yourself say. But the Nayaks were not Tamils, they were Telugu rulers, who ruled parts of the Tamil country, for a relatively short period of time, compared to the thousands of years, the kings of ancient Tamil kingdoms ruled. --SriSuren (talk) 00:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Clearly, Tamilan101 agenda here is to push his/her view on Eelam, linking any or all topics relating to Tamils which is clear POV pushing and OR. Further there is nothing as Eelam Tamils only Sri Lankan Tamils. Just because the Nayaks used Tamil as a language does not mean that they were Tamils as do the Radals use of Tamils as they too used Tamil as a language as one may see in the Kandyan Convention where many Dissawa's singed in Tamil. Cossde (talk) 15:00, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Unspecified and unsourced matrimonial ties

In refernce to this statement, where it is claimed that "The Kandy Nayaks also shared a number of matrimonial ties, with the Jaffna kingdom": Please add a reliable source and specify these matrimonial ties, before adding that statement. As stated many times, there were no such matrimonial ties. After numerous riverts, 25 days passed after asking specifically for this information and reference in this edit of mine, on 31st January 2012. Nothing was done, and now Tamilan101 has started another of his edit wars. Do not add this information without giving a reliable reference and specifying what these marriages were. --SriSuren (talk) 03:53, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

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