Talk:Nazran okrug

-skiy vs -sky

Hi WikiEditor1234567123, I saw in one of your recent edits that you changed "Nazranovskiy" to "Nazranovsky" in the article. My concern is that WP:RUS tells us that "In names of people and adjectives of Russian origin" to use "y" for "ий", but for a "Noun or of non-Russian origin" to use "iy". If we look at the eponym of the Nazranovskiy Okrug, it derives from the city Nazran, whose RuWiki etymology section indicates that it's named after the town's folk legends settler, Nyasar. Based on this, do you think it'd be more appropriate to use the "iy" ending? Best, – Olympian ^loquere 09:56, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello. Yeah it seems that it will be more appropriate to use the "iy" ending if the name Nazran really comes from the town's folk legends' settler, Nyasar. Similarly, I made an article "Ingushskiy Okrug" where I also used the "iy" ending and as it looks, it's more correct than "y" ending as the origin of exonym Ingush comes from the Ingush village of Angusht. When renaming the article, I also changed "okrug" to "Okrug", so I wanted to hear your opinion incase you weren't in favor of that, isn't it more correct to write Okrug with a capital letter in the word "Nazranovskiy okrug"? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 10:22, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm glad that we could come to an agreement regarding "skiy" and "sky". Regarding the capitalisation of "Okrug", I requested clarification in MOS but the response was not as decisive as I'd hoped for. I also discussed this issue with another user, inconclusively; as I mentioned in that discussion, the vilayets RM and WP:NCCAPS seem to justify rendering okrug/uezd/oblast in lowercase, but there is significant friction due to the rationale that the article title (e.g Nazranovskiy Okrug) is a proper noun and thus necessitates title case capitalisation. Let me know your thoughts. – Olympian ^loquere 12:16, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I just read the discussions you had with the users and it somewhat looks like a complicated topic with both sides having made good points. I personally think that the okrug in Nazranovskiy okrug should be written with a capital letter O as it's proper noun. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 13:07, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Generally I would agree that it's a proper noun too, however, I've seen numerous reliable sources that keep the okrug/uezd in lowercase and also italicise it. Вообще, since the title "Nazranovskiy okrug" is entirely transliterated from Russian, I don't see why "Nazranovskiy" shouldn't be italicised too per MOS. – Olympian ^loquere 01:14, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Bibliography

• Hovannisian, Richard G. (1996a). The Republic of Armenia: From London to Sèvres, February–August 1920. Vol. 3. Berkeley: University of California Press. ISBN 978-0520088030.

GA nomination

Hello WikiEditor1234567123, your expansion of this article has been remarkable, well done! with all the sections you've added, I'd say it's nearly ready to become a Good Article nominee. I can keep expanding the lead and other sections – do you think we can add some information about Ingush before the Russian Empire annexed the region, perhaps borrowing some sentences from Ingush people#Middle_Ages or Ingush people#Contacts with Russian Empire? Keen to hear your thoughts. Best, – Olympian ^loquere 03:29, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello! It still needs some expanding before being nominated. I don't think it's necessary to add background information about Ingush as this article is focused on the district. Best regards, WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 09:17, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Certainly. Also, I think Revenue should be made a subheading within the "Economy" section, rather than its own section. Otherwise, it's looking good so far. What other sections do you intend to expand? Best, – Olympian ^loquere 10:27, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Sure, revenue section can be made a subheading within economy section. I intend to expand the history and economy sections, and create infrastructure section incase I find sources. Best regards, WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 10:36, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Sounds good. I've added a list of settlements based on the Kavkazskiy kalendar for 1915 (its data is based on the year 1914), I'd appreciate if you could try adding wikilinks for the settlements, even if their articles only exist on Russian or Ingush Wikipedia. Moreover, I've reworded the administrative divisions section and deleted some redundant subheadings. I've seen sources refer to участки as prefectures so I thought that was a reliable translation to lean on, rather than confusing English-speaking readers with an obscure transcription. I'd also appreciate if you could help me in applying this style/rewording to other articles that contain such uchastok tables. Best – Olympian ^loquere 14:24, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Sure, I will my best in helping you. WikiEditor^123… 17:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I also found and added a list of rural communities from the Kavkazskiy kalendar for 1917, you can view it in the cited pages. I think this configuration with prefectures and rural communities is best for every uezd/okrug/otdel's administrative divisions section as it gives readers the entire overview the subdivision's administrative hierarchy. I also added Russian translations to help the reader should they want to search up that rural community in the book and discover which settlements they contained. – Olympian ^loquere 02:20, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Olympian! I nominated the article for GA as I think it's ready. If you don't mind, could you please do some copy editing? Thanks in advance. Best regards, WikiEditor^123… 20:12, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Thanks for nominating the article. I will begin copy-editing shortly. Best, – Olympian ^loquere 03:37, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Nazran okrug/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: WikiEditor1234567123 (talk · contribs) 19:42, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Rollinginhisgrave (talk · contribs) 15:53, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

I'll review this. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 15:53, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

General comments

I'll be leaving notes as I go. Unfortunately I don't speak Russian, so I will need some help with finding appropriate blockquotes for spotchecks. Thankyou! Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 17:24, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm leaving this here for now. The article's content as far as I can tell is good, but the prose is not up to the standard required by GA. I've given some examples of how sentences should be changed, and you can ping me when you've made changes accordingly to the rest of the article. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 17:24, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Closing this due to nominator timeliness in addressing issues/article has a long way to go to meeting criterion. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 02:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Prose and content

Lede

• Reword of the... of the... of the... wording of opening sentence.
• The district was modest in its Redundant; if it has the smallest population and area in Terek Oblast, it's apparent the population is modest.
• As a result of the constant hostilities with the neighbouring Cossacks the local peasantry are feuding with the neighboring Cossack or the local Cossack or feuding with their neighbors?
• Does not mention that it was abolished in 1924.
• passed between did a group ever reclaim the territory? Else "passed from" is more clear.
• According to statistics dated to 1916 doesn't need attribution unless contentious, in 1916 is okay.
• some of which underwent a series of repressions due to raids by local Ingush outlaws reword to be more clear

History

• mutual hostility and redundant
• The very fact of the restoration of the national-territorial district So it existed in the past and now is being restored?

I'll change my approach. The sentences need rewording for simplicity per the WP:GACR needing concision and clarity, as they are too wordy and overly-detailed. I'll provide some examples of changes. If you disapprove of them, let me know. If you agree with them, implement their principles to the rest of the page before I continue the review.

1) Despite the fact that this territorial reform was intended to solve the immediate practical problem not in favor of the Ingush and with the reform subsequently displacing numerous Ingush farms and entire villages located on lands leased from the Cossacks outside the otdel, the Ingush met this reform with great enthusiasm. →

Even though the territory change was meant to solve the problem in the Cossack's favour, and the reform displaced Ingush farms and villages on lands leased from the Cossacks to outside the otdel, the Ingush reacted enthusiastically to the reform.

2) The very fact of the restoration of the national-territorial district inspired great hopes, especially since the government itself admitted that the ataman of the Sunzhensky otdel, under whose control the Ingush were previously, due to his military duties, didn't have the opportunity to pay due attention arrangement of civil and economic life of the Ingush population. →

The enthusiasm was compounded when the government admitted that the previous ruler of the Ingush, the ataman (Cossack leader) of the Sunzhensky otdel, had been too occupied to give adequate attention to the Ingush's civil and economic life.

3) Due to the reform being temporary, the local population was worried. In January 1908, elected from the Ingush people, lieutenant Tatre Albogachiev, Shaptuko Kuriev and Duguz Hadzhi Bekov arrived in Tiflis in order to intercede with the Viceroy of Caucasus, Illarion Vorontsov-Dashkov, on "the approval of the temporarily formed Nazran okrug." The request was granted and the Nazran okrug within its specified boundaries was approved on 10 June 1909. →

Despite their enthusiasm, the reform being temporary worried the Ingush. In January 1908, Ingush elected representatives arrived in Tiflis, and appealed for the Viceroy of Caucasus to intercede. Granting their request, the Nazran okrug was made permanent on 10 June 1909.

Broad

• There is no corresponding background section to the lede's discussion of the creation.

Sources

• Great Russian Encyclopedia does not appear to be a RS
• the Russian government was forced can you provide the blockquote for this?
• arrived in Tiflis does the source just say they arrived, and doesn't date them asking?

Suggestions

• Call it a district rather than subdivision for the most part for consistency.

17:24, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.