Talk:Neem Karoli Baba

Learn to Love Neem Karoli Baba !!

Hi Guys, How can we introduce Maharishi to future generations ? They can feel the love by reading Miricles of Love and the Near and the Dear for starters. The article does not do him justice. He didn't die in '73, he just crossed over to get ready for Act II. Don't forget:"I'm comming to America...in a body"!!! and (Ram Dass Will bring the Police of America to God) I learned to love him thru Be Here Now, and Miricle of Love. I'm not sure how to edit the article yet to add more Baba Love,but I know we can come up with something :) Joe Bill Ladd (talk) 06:53, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I have added Maharajji as a Hindu Saint in the Wiki Saint article in a was I thought He would like. What do you think? Joe

I will email Ram Dass to ask permission to post some of the stories from Miricle of Love - Joe Bill Ladd (talk) 03:10, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I've launched an article on Ram Dass Fierce Grace..( I hope). I could use help on adding pictures.Thanks :) Joe Bill Ladd (talk) 05:14, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

- People, people! This is an encyclopedia page not a prosyletising missionary site. Keep it simple, keep it neutral and factual. Provide verifiable references.--212.214.4.167 (talk) 06:37, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Philosophy

The 'Philosophy' section says nothing about his philosophy. It is mostly taken up by an extensive quote that frankly, adds very little to the article. Dlabtot (talk) 23:32, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Notable disciples

Interesting that all the 'notable disciples' listed are from the U.S. I suppose all the contributors to the article is for a U.S.173.48.146.196 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:03, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Neem Karoli Baba as incarnation of Hindu Diety Hanuman

Hello all,

This is to discuss if it is appropriate to address Neem Karoli Baba as the incarnation of Hindu diety Hanuman. There are direct citations in books like, Miracle of Love by Ram Dass, Sri Siddhi Ma by Jaya Prasada, Penguin India Website and articles in The Economic Times with reference to Mark Zuckerberg, where Neem Karoli Baba is cited to be the incarnation of Hindu diety Hanuman. There are articles and many other references in books including websites like Maharajji.love, nkbashram.org which is recognised at Pluralism Project Archive at Harvard University where direct reverence of him as incarnation of Hindu diety Hanuman is present.

I am interested in theology and spirituality as subjects. My thoughts are that for posthumous articles, we must ascertain veracity of information to genuine sources of information. In this case of article page, as researched, people do revere Neem Karoli Baba as incarnation of Hindu diety Hanuman.

Can this be updated in this page?

Thanks Fixing001 (talk) 18:12, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

No assertion like that can be stated in Wikipedia's voice. It can be attributed as a view held by some of his followers. Cullen328 (talk) 18:16, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @Cullen328 for your response. For if you research furthermore deeply, you will understand that it is a belief of all his followers and not limited to some of them. If you will watch some documentaries like Leaving Home, Fierce Grace Ram Dass, American Yogi, One Track Heart, you will understand the widely accepted belief of him being an incarnation of

While in Christianity, where incarnation is not considered as an occurrence, in Buddhism and Hinduism it is considered to be a truth. Please read the Hindu scriptures (The four Vedas and Upanishads) and also the New Testament to assimilate the vicissitudes of beliefs.

Wikipedia is a collaborative space that celebrates diversity of beliefs and perspectives. This must be discussed with a positive light and spirit.

Thank you for your response. Fixing001 (talk) 18:39, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Fixing001, I do not need to read Hindu scriptures or any religious texts to know that Wikipedia neutrally describes religious beliefs and never endorses them. This is a matter of policy, specifically, the Neutral point of view. Cullen328 (talk) 18:46, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @Cullen328Cullen

Appreciate your response. I humbly want to express that citing facts from reliable third party sources generally must not be in deviation from any Neutral point of view policy of Wikipedia. Religious beliefs must be objectively analysed based on factual citations that are available. That is my only intent.

Regards! Fixing001 (talk) 19:02, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

It would need to be cited to an unaffilated reliable source. Since NKB is Ram Dass' guru, Ram Dass would not be a neutral source. We'd be looking for an independent, preferably academic, source. Skyerise (talk) 20:21, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

However, I would note that NKB never claimed to be an incarnation of Hanuman; he always asserted he was a devotee of Ram. Skyerise (talk) 20:24, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Skyerise for your response and attention. It’s most pragmatic to find a non-affiliated source. We may refer to The Economic Times article, where in he is cited as the incarnation of Hanuman.

Just want to humbly elaborate on what I have gathered from reading about him from various accounts, briefly.

NKB always mentioned himself as the devotee of Ram. And so have all the saints and sages, especially in Bhakti Yoga. For example, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, never explicitly called himself the incarnation of Krishna. But when one reads the scriptures and accounts of his devotees, one understands his being and his incarnation. All sages, saints, incarnations always refer themselves to be in the capacity of service. It is only those who have been in his company, his devotees or those who have experienced his conduct, can make a comment on it.

Also in the case of NKB, all his memoirs from his devotees and even other saints have seen him to be an incarnation of Hanuman. All this is inferred from the numerous accounts of details from his devotees in books and in person to this date. Little has been made available on Internet and publicly, because NKB never wanted to elicit any attention to his incarnation.

Actually, if we honour his spirit as according to ‘Be Here Now’ and ‘The Divine Reality’, a Wikipedia page about him, is inconsequential to his presence or what we discuss about his omnipresence.

Please check this below articles for third party non affiliated sources where he is cited to be as the ‘Incarnation of Hindu Diety Hanuman.’ This can be a valid citing source. Please have a look.

https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/neeb-karori-baba-the-baba-who-has-been-magnet-for-tech-honchos-like-mark-zuckerberg-steve-jobs/articleshow/49175183.cms

https://m.economictimes.com/news/india/apples-spiritual-beginnings-steve-jobs-link-to-neem-karoli-baba-and-paramhansa-yogananda/amp_articleshow/99583632.cms

Thanks so much,

Regards! Fixing001 (talk) 07:42, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, but strong claims require strong sources. Economic Times is not a specialist in Hindu religions. It would really have to be an academic overview or study. We are talking academic books and journal articles, not magazines or online sources. Skyerise (talk) 10:12, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Skyerise

Please read the Thesis research paper at University of Kent, Kent Academic Repository. Phd. In Theology and Religious Studies. By Katya Langmuur.

https://kar.kent.ac.uk/86439/1/544054.pdf

This thesis, in conclusion establishes the fact of NKB as an incarnation of Hindu Deity Hanuman. This can be a non-affiliated independent academic research/journal source that can be cited to affirm. Fixing001 (talk) 11:29, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Again, strong claims require strong sources; should the thesis be published in a journal or otherwise by an independent publisher, sure; but generally theses are not considered strong sources unless published in a journal or book form. Skyerise (talk) 11:31, 31 October 2023 (UTC)