Talk:Neon Gravestones

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Neon Gravestones/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MarioSoulTruthFan (talk · contribs) 16:37, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Review

I'm going to have to fail this GA, not due to not meeting the criteria, but simply because it is too soon to nominate something from an album that just came 2/3 months ago. It may become a single somewhere down the line or not, but let's imagine it does. It would have to be re-nominated again and the current "possible" GA status would be removed. I will give you a piece of advice, just let it linger around and keep improving it. In the end, they may give more interviews regarding the song and after a year nominate it again. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:59, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Neon Gravestones/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Kyle Peake (talk · contribs) Kyle Peake (talk) 06:46, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Infobox and lead

• Add release date to infobox; album's release date as this was not an independent release
• "is a song written and recorded by" → "is a song by" as it was obviously recorded by them and the writers are mentioned later in the lead
• Add release year of Trench in brackets
• Target hip hop to Hip hop music
• "the song attracted moderate media attention" → ""Neon Gravestones" attracted moderate media attention" as it is a new para in lead
• "Nevertheless, it received" → "Nevertheless, the song received" as it is used most recently before this
• "The track is part of the" → "It is part of the"

 All done

Background

• Img needs alt text
• "during the songwriting process, in order" → "during the songwriting process; this was in order" as there's too many "," and this works in prose
• "In an interview" → "In a October 2018 interview" as you state "Joseph later told" in the section so it should be known when the earlier was
• "Tyler Joseph revealed" → "Joseph revealed" as Tyler Joseph is his real name
• "in the middle of the album" → "in the middle of Trench" as you state "the album" twice in the sentence so improve prose
• "the heart of Trench" italicize the album's title
• "He was also worried" → "Joseph was also worried"
• "in regard to spiritual or political things" → "in regard to spiritual or political subjects" as this is more encyclopedic
• "the reasons they made" → "the reasons that they made"
• "and more of a challenge."[6]" → "and more of a challenge".[6]" for quotes consistency
• "he said that he feared" → "Joseph said that he feared"

 All done except point 9 where I changed it to "why", since I thought that made more sense.

Composition and lyrics

• "the song "Neon Gravestone," a" → "the song "Neon Gravestone", a" as you don't place , inside speech marks for songs (this is on audio caption)
• "The song, described" → ""Neon Gravestones", described" as you haven't mentioned the title for a while
• "Lyrically, it attacks" → "Lyrically, the song attacks"
• "Tyler Joseph explained" → "Joseph explained"
• ""the importance of the topic."[15]" → ""the importance of the topic".[15]"
• "feels like I have to leave."[6]" → "feels like I have to leave".[6]"
• "Joseph writes that" are you sure this is correct prose?
• "and that "we" → "and "we"
• "have described this ending" → "have described the ending"
• "as directly linked to the album's penultimate track" → "as directly linked to Trench's penultimate track"
• "a track which pays homage" → "which pays homage"
• Release date for Vessel in brackets

 All done (for your seventh point I changed "writes" to "raps", but I'm not quite sure if I'm meant to do anything more here).

Critical reception

• "by music critics" → "from music critics"
• "who saw the band as glamorizing" → "who saw them as glamorizing"
• "says the song" → "said the song"
• "NME's" → "NME's"
• "off the album" → "off Trench"
• WikiLink PopMatters
• "hailing it as" → "hailing the song as"
• "a troubling time."[22]" → "a troubling time".[22]"
• "more critical of the song regarding" → "more critical of "Neon Gravestones" regarding"
• "remember be cruel?" and that" → "remember be cruel"? He continued, writing that"
• "those left behind."[7]" → "those left behind".[7]"
• "was one of the most controversial songs of their career" → "was one of the most controversial of their career"
• WikiLink Variety
• "in the months to come."[13]" → "in the months to come".[13]"
• "does not get glorified'."[17]" → "does not get glorified'".[17]"

 All done

Credits and personnel

• Good

Charts

• Good

References

• Archive them all with fix dead links

Will get that done as soon as I have time later today

Done this myself as it's only one button

• WikiLink Kerrang! on ref 1

 Done

• Are you sure PressReader is reliable?

I think that since it is publishing an article from Kerrang!, which is reliable, it can be used in this case, since PressReader doesn't edit the articles as far as I know, and I couldn't find anything in terms of Wikipedia policy that prevented its use.

• Ref 9 needs YouTube as publisher, and accessdate; fix format

 Done

• WikiLink Dork Magazine on ref 15

 Done

• Fix ref 23, similarly to ref 9

 Done

• Refs 1, 6 and 7 are too high on Copyvio, gotta be fixed

 Done

Final comments and verdict

 On hold for now, hope you can respond to all of my comments! --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:54, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Kyle Peake, this review came a little quicker than I expected. May I have an extension until next Friday? This weekend starts my university's Thanksgiving break, and I had another commitment that I was hoping to return to today and Thursday. dannymusiceditor ^oops 17:13, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

@DannyMusicEditor: That's fine, though it is common to leave articles on hold for 7 days, I will extend due to your personal life as this cannot be helped. --Kyle Peake (talk) 17:18, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

@DannyMusicEditor and Kyle Peake: If you like, I can take over from DannyMusicEditor until Friday while he completes his other review. I've written about 85% of the page and know its contents pretty well. mike•owen ^discuss 18:27, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

@MikeOwen: As the reviewer, I am willing to let you take this on due to the experience and the nominator's schedule. Just respond to the issues and it'll all be good! --Kyle Peake (talk) 18:52, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm actually completely ok with that. I nominated this in the first place because I wanted this to have a fair review unlike the last one. You can't fail an article if it's not failing any of the criteria, which is what the reviewer said in the last one. dannymusiceditor ^oops 19:25, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

✓ Pass, thanks for responding to the comments! --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:15, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:47, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

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• ... that the band members of Twenty One Pilots had concerns over the sensitivity of their handling of the topic of suicide on their song "Neon Gravestones", but nonetheless kept it on their album Trench? "During Neon Gravestones' inception, Tyler admits, his bandmate was concerned about the sensitivity of the song. "When I first started writing it, you wanted to make sure that it was coming across correctly," he says, turning to Josh. "And that, in itself, gave me a huge heads-up on the importance of the topic that I was talking about. When Josh was like, 'Yes, this feels right, I can get behind this,' at that point I knew, 'Now this can go.'""
  • ALT1:... that the band Twenty One Pilots explored the topic of suicide in a "black and white" manner on their song "Neon Gravestones", departing from their metaphorical songwriting on earlier work? In the attached video in the article (at approximately the 9:47 mark): "The lyrics are very black and white and saying exactly what I wanted to say rather than trying to come up with some metaphors on it which is usually what I do"
  • ALT2:... that on the Twenty One Pilots' song "Neon Gravestones", lead singer Tyler Joseph tried to explore "a perspective that comes off a bit more aggressive" while writing on the subject of suicide? "This has been a theme of our songwriting for some time now, and I've always felt a little bit alone in that. And now, not so much, which is a good thing. But, at the same time, I felt inclined to bring up a new perspective – a perspective that comes off a bit more aggressive and more of a challenge."

• Reviewed: Plumb (Field Music album)

Improved to Good Article status by MikeOwen (talk). Self-nominated at 20:43, 20 November 2019 (UTC).

• The article is long enough and nominated timely. The article is very well cited (after all, it is a Good Article). No copyvios found. QPQ done. All the hooks are interesting and well cited; I prefer the original hook. Well done. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:14, 5 December 2019 (UTC)