Talk:Nicholas Russo/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Thebiguglyalien (talk · contribs) 23:04, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

I'll have a review posted for this within the next couple days. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:04, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Ergo Sum, the review is posted below. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 04:32, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

@Thebiguglyalien: Thank you for your thorough review. Ergo Sum 15:11, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't see anything else that might keep this from meeting the GA criteria. Passing the article now. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Well-written

Really well written. I usually have more notes than this. I also made a few minor copy edits myself.

• Did his excellence in schooling and his attendance at the surgeries begin before or after he reached the age of six and expressed interest in religion? Those seem like they're things that would happen after he was six, but they're written before.
  • It's not exactly clear from the source, but it seems reasonable that Ruso would not have attended surgeries before the age of six, so I've rephrased for a more likely chronology. Ergo Sum 14:37, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
• As there was insufficient time to formally select a new rector, a lengthy process, before the start of classes in autumn, Russo was appointed the vice-rector and seventh president, to temporarily administer the institution – The length and number of commas here affect readability. There are a few sentences like this where it could be rewritten to flow better, but this is the one that stands out.
  • I've split the sentence into two. Ergo Sum 14:38, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
• He also lectured on Catholicism and published a book on the subject – Could we change this to "and his second book was published on the subject" or something similar? Since I hadn't seen the word "second", I was confused when he published his third book.
  • Clarified. Ergo Sum 14:40, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
• it was found he had pneumonia with complications – Is "pneumonia with complications" the best way to describe the diagnosis?
  • The source just says "pneumonia complicated with other diseases," so I'm not sure of a clearer way to phrase it. Ergo Sum 14:42, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Verifiable with no original research

• What makes McNamara (2014) a reliable source?
  • Patrick McNamara is an established historian of Catholicism in the United States. He has a PhD from a major university, has written numerous books on Catholic history, which have been published by major academic presses, has taught at academic institutions, and consulted the Museum of the City of New York on Catholic history. This book, specifically, was also published by a well-established publisher. I think it soundly qualifies as a reliable source. Ergo Sum 15:10, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
• Some of the sources are directly associated with the Society of Jesus, with which Russo was affiliated. I won't go so far as to say they're non-independent sources, but they should be used cautiously.
  • All the sources I've used I have also used extensively in my other GAs and FAs, without issue. They also just support basic fatual propositions, not anything controversial. Ergo Sum 14:46, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Spot checks:

• Donovan et al (1990) – First use confirms the years and Boston College; it can be difficult to verify when different citations to different claims are grouped. Dunigan (1947) confirms everything here, so is there need for the other two citations (one of which is cited in Dunigan anyway)? The other two uses are good.
  • It is difficult because small details in the sentence are drawn from various sources. That is why I have cited all of them at the end of the sentence. Ergo Sum 15:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
• Dunigan (1947) – Checked uses for pp. 142–144:
  • The source says his parents might not permit him to be a Jesuit, not his father. Obviously it's incorrect, but do we have another source that can verify this properly?
    • The Woodstock Letters source at page 281, which is cited later in that paragraph, says he kept his religious practices secret from his father, specifically, and that Russo's mother died when he was young. Thus, it is reasonable to state that he kept his desire to be a Jesuit secret from his father, rather than his parents (one of whom was deceased). Also, the Dunigan source just says "parental consent was required." That can refer to a singular parent. I don't see the two as contradictory. Ergo Sum 14:59, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
  • I don't see any mention of 1872–1873 in Maryland.
    • It is stated on page 282 of the Woodstock Letters, which is cited at the end of that sentence. Ergo Sum 15:04, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
  • I don't see where it supports compromising philosophy lectures he had delivered to students.
    • That should have read "comprising." I've fixed it. It also comes from page 282 in the Woodstock Letters, which was cited later in the paragraph. I've added a duplicate citation to make that clearer. Ergo Sum 15:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
• Lapomarda (1977) – While it's highly likely, do we know for sure that this is the same "Nicholas Russo"?
  • Yes, it must be. It speaks of a Nicholas Russo who was a priest and the president of Boston College for the exact same years that other sources describe Russo as being the president of Boston College. Those other sources also describe Russo engaging in his other pursuits mentioned in the article. Ergo Sum 14:51, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
• The Stylus (1902) – Good.

Broad in its coverage

Covers his entire life. I'd be interested in seeing if there's any material on religious beliefs he held or any notable teachings, but that's beyond GA, if it even exists.

I have not been able to find anything to that effect. Ergo Sum 14:46, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Neutral

No ideas are given undue weight, and no ideas are portrayed in a positive or negative light. I had to consider With that, Russo gave up a successful career in academia and spent the rest of his life ministering to poor Italian immigrants in New York City, but I don't think reads as too laudatory.

It is also a statement made by the source itself. Ergo Sum 14:47, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Stable

No recent disputes, and the information in the article is unlikely to significantly change.

Illustrated

Both images have acceptable licenses and captions. Note that there's a marginally higher quality version of the Little Italy image at File:NYC Mulberry Street 3g04637u.jpg.

Replaced with the better image. Ergo Sum 14:49, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

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