Talk:Nikolaj Velimirović
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Christian Saint?
editThe SPC strongly opposes the canonization of Blessed Alojzije Stepinac for reasons that are not entirely clear. Wikipedia is supposed to be neutral and therefore it can be mentioned that Bishop Nikolaj Velimirović was so quickly - despite some strange views - declared a Saint of the SPC.
- From historical sources, or rather from his short biography in Serb language in ćirilica, we can understand that in his youth he was open and even so friendly towards the Catholic Church that he was sent for "re-education" in Russia. And what did this re-education teach him? That the West and the Vatican should be hated - that this is where all evil comes from.
- It is known that he was a fan of the Nazi criminal and murder, persecutor and destroyer of Jews and aggressor - Adolf Hitler.
- According to Serbian sources (on internet can we read today more so articles), he played a key role in the so-called "Concordat Crisis" and also in the tragic-comical Blood Procession, which according to many historians means "the beginning of the end of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia".
- The question arises: can someone who admires the Nazi leader Hitler be declared a saint (something like that could not be said for Stepinac)
- In addition: whoever spreads hatred among Christians goes against the greatest Christian commandment to love one's neighbor. (1 John 3,15) Forwards: the fact that all evil comes from the West is contradicted by the Holy Scriptures themselves, which clearly explain that behind the scenes is the devil, who is the father of lies, hatred and arrogance. If evil was only in the West, then in the East there would be no avaricious people (srebroljupci) and other sinners, about whom I heard a lot during my long service in Serbia from Orthodox believers.
So: if the superiors had not sent Father Nikolai to Russia for "re-education", he would probably have been protected from all its effects, which directed him against the sister Christian Catholic Church, and he would indeed have been a true Christian saint - but I do not know of any saint in history who would spread hatred, especially towards fellow Christians.--Stebunik (talk) 22:13, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Most of your conclusions are incorrect. More importantly, please read WP:NOTAFORUM. Best. — Sadko (words are wind) 22:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- These posts are just your opinion, and Wikipedia is not a forum, as sadko has pointed out. If you don't have any suggestions for changes to the article based on reliable sources, please take your musings to a different website. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:15, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Nationalism and Christianity
editThe article clearly shows how Fr. Nikolaj Velimirović connected Hitler's National Socialism with the Svetosava movement. This shows an anachronism: He (and not only he) thinks that Saint Sava cultivated the nationalism of Hegel or Rosenberg, which is completely false and not accurate. Although Saint Sava founded an autocephalous church in the spirit of Byzantium, he was not a nationalist who would turn against other Christians or nations. The Saint Sava movement in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia had features of Saint Sava in its program, but it adopts non-Christian and godless-pagan (including Hitler's and Mussolini's) nationalism, which is the fruit of the materialistic godless philosophy of the 19th century and is completely opposed to the Christian mentality and Jesus' desire that they all Christians one. The writer of the article presented it well, and this is not a shortcoming of the article, but of the Christian bishop Nicholas.--Stebunik (talk) 22:38, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- User Sadko should explain his views a little. I thank him in advance.--Stebunik (talk) 22:52, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- You should provide reliable sources to back up what you are saying. You say something is false, yet provide no evidence of it. No doubt Velimirović and his actions are contested, but the only things that should get added to Wikipedia are those that are based on reliable sources. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- I completely agree with you that claims should be backed up with sources. However, this is a discussion page and I hope that in the near future I will find time when I can contribute some smart thought that will enrich the otherwise relatively well-written article. You also know that it takes a lot of time.--Stebunik (talk) 17:35, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- You should provide reliable sources to back up what you are saying. You say something is false, yet provide no evidence of it. No doubt Velimirović and his actions are contested, but the only things that should get added to Wikipedia are those that are based on reliable sources. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Prophet of anti-semitism
editSerbian and English sources say:
- The spiritual father of the so-called "svetosavstvo (Movement of Saint Sava)" and the "bogomoljstvo (movement of God-worshippers)" Bishop Nikolaj Velimirović and the main opponent of the Concordat, in the 1930s he came closer and closer to antisemitism,[1][2] nationalism[3] and to the inveterate anti-communism. [4]--Stebunik (talk) 15:03, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- What makes you think any of these sources are reliable? WP:RFE/RL might be, if attributed, but only on a case-by-case basis. The rest, not. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)