Talk:Norinco CQ

Iran not a user

Iran Revolutionary Guards uses the S-5.56 rifle, a clone based on the CQ rifle, but it does not use the Chinese version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.169.151.126 (talk) 10:13, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

"CQ" = 16 in Chinese

I removed this block:

The CQ designation means "16" in Mandarin Chinese.

I am a native speaker, and CQ definitely does not mean or sound like "16" in Mandarin Chinese. --Rifleman 82 15:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes,i argee.--ZH Evers 15:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

References

Undoing of 11/24/2007 edit

I have undone the changes made by John Nevard at 11:09, 24 November 2007 (his changes: removed lots of OR, irrelevant default template elements, grammer, etc etc).

I am the one who "wrote" most of the page as an "external", before finally deciding to create an account on my own. I am also a contributor for the Italian gun magazine "Diana Armi", and all my contributions about the Norinco CQ, as well as about many other firearm pages, come from the knowledge that I have gained in such work.

Truth is that some informations, notably concerning the halt to imports of the CQ semi-automatic rifle in the United States, can not be confirmed officially as there seems to be no public informations released. However, one should note that there is no sign of a lawsuit ever filed by Colt against Norinco, and that at the same time when the import of the CQ in the United States was halted, Norinco started the manufacture of 1911-style pistols with technologies transfered from the USA.

This said, I leave other contributors, certainly more "elder" and expert than me in how things work at Wikipedia, to decide what will be the destiny of my contributions to the page.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by TheTranc (talk • contribs) 01:57, 25 November 2007

Good work on the page. However, one of the key elements of Wikipedia is reliance on reliable, verifiable sources. We really can't rely on speculation about the legal status of the CQ. Sinodefence does claim legal problems halted the imports, for what that's worth. Fortunately, it's largely irrelevant, after the legal troubles Norinco has had for their importion of full-automatic weapons into the US and aid to the Iranian missile program. John Nevard (talk) 10:41, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

pics?

Can someone post a pic? Thanks.72.81.226.247 (talk) 20:28, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Several links in the references lead to pictures of the rifle. From there, you can clearly see the differences between the US-made M16 and the Chinese Type CQ.--TheTranc (talk) 02:30, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Users - Countries

I had to modify the section to sort out some of the entries and modify others. I have sorted out either China (which makes no use of the Type CQ) and the New Zealand (which OBVIOUSLY doesn't uses the CQ, I can't realize how somebody could have thought it, the M16/M4-type rifles used by the New Zealand government are US imports, the Type CQ might have been imported in NZ for civilian consumption, but then, we should list half of the civilized world in the section). I also had to add an "Alleged" note under all the remaining users, since there is no official confirm of any Country currently issuing the Type CQ, except for Iran, whose soldiers have been photographed training with the locally-made Type CQ clone, the S-5'56 rifle. Also, I had to modify the tag of the design, it said "This is an M16 rifle, but the Type CQ looks exactly the same". It doesn't. The Type CQ differs deeply in the shape of stock, handguard, grip, and front sight in the military model.--TheTranc (talk) 02:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Just an add-on: I'd also suggest to operate a revision on the "Users - Groups" section, since I seriously doubt that the usage of the Norinco Type CQ rifle by the whole list of those armed factions could be confirmed. Although many times combatants of those groups, especially in the SE Asian and mid-Eastern area, have been seen handing M16-type rifles, those could as well be true American M-16s, which are very popular and widespread in the black market, especially in the A1 variant, much more than the Type CQ itself I'd say. --TheTranc (talk) 10:32, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Once again I had to edit the "Users" section to sort out the New Zealand Police: the only AR15-style rifle officially used by the NZ Police is the Bushmaster M4 Type Carbine, not the Norinco Type CQ, which I'd also deem improbable. The user who added the New Zealand to the users list says it was seen in some New Zealand TV news; I'd suggest him to trace back the shot, maybe in YouTube, and post it back. There's no reason to suppose that it couldn't have been, to say, a confiscated gun rather than an issue weapon. Also, as far as it concerns other entries in the list (such as the Philippines, which would "use large quantities of confiscated Type CQ rifles"), many of those countries have other ways to issue M16-type rifles to their military (the Philippines manufacture them). Sources of such informations are to be verified; by now, the only official uses of a Norinco Type CQ variant in the world are reported in Paraguay (CQ 5'56mm Type A imported from China for Special Forces) and Iran (manufactured locally), while other Communist countries have only ALLEGEDLY received shipments.--TheTranc (talk) 18:10, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I realize I am replying to an old discussion, but this does fit here. I just reverted and addition from an anon IP that indicated that this rifle is used by the Iranian military. Jane's and another source indicate it is only produced for export. If, however, there is a source that confirms it is being issued to any of the branches of the Iranian military, it would be a valuable addition. I did some research, but didn't turn anything up.

Also, for whatever it is worth, the Wiki article about the equipment of the Iranian military lists it as such. It is unsourced though. Surv1v4l1st ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 17:32, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

I've deleted Syria and Thailand as there are no confirmed information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.3.174.29 (talk) 16:53, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

China uses CQ rifle, although only in limited service, it has been photographed several times by the media, I do not know why someone deleted those links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.200.171.199 (talk) 05:35, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Photos are not reliable sources in and of themselves. - BilCat (talk) 05:49, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Why remove the China citations and give me a warining? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.200.171.199 (talk) 06:03, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

UNLICENCED?

The patent for AR-15 has long since expired, so theres no need for licence to begin with. Also think about all unlicenced copies and replicas made in the USA of weapons still being produced by those who actually developed the weapon, like Kalashnikovs, Steyr AUG etc etc. So in short, this term "UNLICENCED" really needs to be removed cause it has no basis in reality or law, and only goes to show the bias of the editor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.156.138.236 (talk) 13:02, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

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Patent status

AFAIK the original AR15/M16 patent is, by now, long expired and thus, no license needed to produce a copy of the rifle for any interested party, be it Chinese Norinco or Swiss SiG-Sauer (and they DO produce a variant of the "black rifle") by the way. As such, I'm removing the "unlicensed" stipulation from the article. No patent rights are actually infringed here by the Norinco.--RussianTrooper (talk) 11:45, 2 April 2019 (UTC)