Talk:Northeast India

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To be added

• Northeast India (festivals)
• Northeast India (improve climate - needs to be concise with more wikipedia refs)
• Northeast India (put flora and fauna under 'Wildlife')
• Northeast India (talk about high literacy rate in the states + list of premier educational institutes + research institutes)
• Northeast India (highlight world renowned facts about the region)
• Northeast India (major highways)
• Northeast India (list major rivers)

RenZut^ↂ 08:18, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Merger Proposal

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The pages should be merged with proper redirect from 'Seven Sister States' post merge.RenZut^ↂ 06:09, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

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I suggest we merge Seven Sister States to this article. A combined article would be better and less redundant than having 2 different closely related articles. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 10:50, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

• Support. Darkness Shines (talk) 12:34, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose Support: The Seven Sister States are just that, the seven states. Northeast India includes, in addition, Sikkim by definition, and North Bengal by dint of history and culture. So oppose. Chaipau (talk) 12:57, 30 December 2012 (UTC). Chaipau (talk) 10:35, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
• Support, Chaipau is right. Bishnu Saikia (talk) 15:42, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. Seven Sister States states only include Arunachal Pradesh, Assam, Manipur, Meghalaya, Mizoram, Nagaland, and Tripura but as per definition of Northeast India by Ministry of Development of North Eastern Region, Govt. of India; it also includes Sikkim. So if the articles are merged, information about Sikkim will be lost. Hence the proposal should be opposed. --Wiki.Gunjan (talk) 18:20, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
• Support : The articles are being merged so the section about 'Seven Sister States' will still be retained. However, there should be a redirect from 'Seven Sister States' post merge. Renzut 17:58, 29 December 2016‎
• Support: Agreed with Renzut (talk · contribs) above. And there is no reason why or how any information about Sikkim is lost, Wiki.Gunjan (talk · contribs). Afterall the proposal would be merging it to the greater/expansive article not a smaller. The main article can easily specify which ones constitute "Seven Sisters" and which don't. DA1 (talk) 10:16, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with Seven Sister States

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The pages should be merged with proper redirect from 'Seven Sister States' post merge.RenZut^ↂ 06:09, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

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Given that the only difference between the Seven Sister States and Northeast India is the inclusion of Sikkim, it seems redundant to have two articles covering almost entirely the same territory. The Northeast India article could cover it all, and could include a short section noting that the states excluding Sikkim, the ones that are completely to the east of the channel between Bhutan and Bangladesh, are known as "The Seven Sisters". Largoplazo (talk) 10:30, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Right, there does not seem to be any historical importance to the term 'Seven Sister States'. The articles could be merged.Renzut

There is no consensus on this. Please look above. Chaipau (talk) 23:04, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

@Chaipau: The last vote was in 2013, and it was certainly mixed. There's no reason to assume the consensus is to keep the articles separate either. Other users should continue to share their opinions. I personally am of the opinion it should be merged. DA1 (talk) 10:10, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

@DA1: I agree with you and @Renzut:. Please merge. Chaipau (talk) 10:28, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

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Assam - Ahom

Bhaskarbhagawati Please do not use this article to get into a discussion on the theories on Etymology of Assam, please use the article created for that purpose. Chaipau (talk) 22:06, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, i invite you to do so, 'Etymology of Assam' was prepared by you as per many previous discussions, and here you get its reflection only. Reply, if you want there. Thanks. भास्कर् Bhagawati Speak 09:03, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

The explanation that the origin of the name Assam is in Sanskrit has been rejected by Edward Gait in History of Assam. Chaipau (talk) 10:06, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

There are two explanations given when we consider the origin of Assam as a Sanskrit word. One, as "uneven" land, which you mention; and two, as "un-paralleled" Ahoms. Why did you choose to pick the first explanation and so oppose the second? Also, both explanation are rejected by Gait. Since the exact explanation is still contested in this Wiki, why don't we use it according to the evidence? Do you have any evidence of the use of Assam as "uneven" from historical documents? Chaipau (talk) 14:22, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Kindly take it to talk:Etymology of Assam. भास्कर् Bhagawati Speak 07:03, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Please do not make changes. I have inserted two citations from Masica (1993) and Kakati (1962), two leading linguists. Masica agrees with Kakati is attributing the name to the Ahom people. Chaipau (talk) 17:01, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

I have also added 'Ahom people', it is put forwarded by many authors like Banikanta Kakati (1941); but for sack of neutrality you are supposed to include 'Hacom' too along with other theories, if any. Banikanta also added that it took Sanskrit form meaning 'unequalled', 'peerless' or 'uneven'. भास्कर् Bhagawati Speak 04:06, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

What is asserted here is the evidence that the name is associated with the Ahoms. In the quote, please note the word "attested". This means evidence. Hacom is a theory on how the name Assam came about. There are many other theories. The rightful place to discuss them all is Etymology of Assam. Chaipau (talk) 18:40, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

So, 'literal meaning' can be shown as unclear or ambiguous. भास्कर् Bhagawati Speak 08:59, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: page moved. (closed by page mover) GeoffreyT2000 ^{(talk, contribs)} 02:29, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

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North-East India → Northeast India – This is not a new name. The name should be reverted back to earlier as all related pages are constructed this way, making it easier to list in Disambiguation and other places. This way it is more consistent and easier to find. RenZut^ↂ 05:52, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

• Support with no prejudice against North-east India; whatever is most common in English-language sources published in India. "North-East" is just wrong, because we don't capitalise after a hyphen unless what follows the hyphen is an independent proper name (as in post-Soviet).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ<  16:16, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
• Comment [1] is a government site that uses "Northeast" and "North East India". @Swift User 72: who appears to have made this move with no discussion at all. power~enwiki (π, ν) 06:50, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

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@GeoffreyT2000: this move above was wrong - it should be North East India, per commonwealth English usage, not Northeast India. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 09:58, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Northeast is not wrong. Besides, we are only trying to bring it back and revert to earlier. If there is a need for a change, please start a new section and cite credible references.RenZut^ↂ 19:15, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

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18 to 70 year old history reported as current information

I moved history dating from 1947 to 2000 to "History." However, another editor reverted this back to current information with no edit summary. See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Northeast_India&diff=prev&oldid=830574163. This should be moved back IMO. Student7 (talk) 17:15, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

This part being referred to '21st century separatist unrest' and others have been correctly put under the section called 'Administration and political disputes'. The header already reads ... political disputes and therefore the change was reverted to earlier. RenZut^ↂ 07:59, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Geography section mistakenly split up

In this article, geography has been split up into two sections, "Geography" and "Wildlife". I tried to correct this, but was reverted. See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Northeast_India&diff=next&oldid=830913629.

But see Featured articles: Australia, Bangladesh, Cambodia, Geography of India, and the only project with a clear, specific outline, Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cities/US_Guideline#Geography, which is why it is often used for other projects, though "US cities" may not be involved. Student7 (talk) 20:17, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

This is big move. To be true, Wildlife In Northeast India is supposed to be a separate article (pending under my project list at the moment). Given the importance and the breadth of the content, not including it in Geography may be better. RenZut^ↂ 08:02, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Largest cities by population

The population numbers given for a lot of cities don't match the census numbers given in the citation. For example, Guwahati, Agartala, and Dimapur numbers are off by 3 lakh, 1 lakh, and 2.5 lakh respectively from the numbers in 2011 census on urban agglomerations. Pease check this and make corrections, if necessary. Kekamohan (talk) 13:08, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Could you please cite the source? RenZut^ↂ 07:24, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

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Tripuri/Kokborok

@Kwplai: Though the language is listed as Tripuri, it is called Kokborok by linguists. We should prefer such updated names even if an older version is used in official documents. For example, Lalung is the name of an ethnic group used officially, but this name is considered derogatory and the people prefer Tiwa. A similar situation prevails for the Mising. Chaipau (talk) 10:38, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

@Kwplai: Your edit summary is misleading. Kokborok is the name of the language that constitute many different dialects. This is from Jacquesson (2007) A Kokborok Grammar (Agartala dialect) Agartala, Kokborok Tei Hukumu Mission p6:

Kokborok is spoken in the Indian state of Tripura (Twipra), in North-Eastern India, and in the adjacent regions of Bangladesh. It belongs to the Tibeto-Burmese wide group of languages, and more precisely to the Bodo-Garo subgroup. The language has several dialects, the most divergent of which being Riang, also called Bru, which seems transitional with Boro. These dialects differ in many respects, specially phonetics.

Kokborok is not a single dialect but a language. Jacquesson is a well known linguist.

Chaipau (talk) 10:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: I think we should keep Kokborok as the name of the Tibeto-Burman language in Tripura, not Tripuri. What do you say? Linguists give it that name, and Kokborok is also mentioned as one of the official languages in Tripura 52nd REPORT OF THE COMMISSIONER FOR LINGUISTIC MINORITIES IN INDIA p23 Official Languages of the State: The Official Languages of the State are Bengali, English and Kokborok.

What do you say?

Chaipau (talk) 20:03, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

@Chaipau: Yes, we have to follow the linguist given name in Wikipedia → Kokborok, a name which is also the official language of the state. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:01, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Kokborok includes only one dailect that is spoken in Western Tripura. There are other dailects which includes Reang, Jamatia, Noatia, Uchoi, Kaubru, Kaurung total 9 dailects, with the confluence of all the dailects Tripuri standard dailect was formed for Tripuri literature by the Tripuri language experts group.

According to the Tripuri literalist and Intellects Kokborok is not the meaningful name of Tripuri language, which literally mean Human language. Kok (language) and Borok (Human). They pointed that all the humans around the world speak Human language, therefore they concluded that the name of the Tripuri language can't be termed as "Kokborok". They also pointed that the origin of word Kokborok is very recent. Before that the language was known as Tipra kok/ Tripuri, which is the appropriate name of the language.

Also in "Census of India 2011 - Languages and Mother tongues" the language is termed as Tripuri and under Tripuri the dailects Kokborok, Reang etc was mentioned. Hence the name of the language should be "TRIPURI" which is the appropriate term according to the native speakers of this language. Kwplai (talk) 13:45, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Therefore the term Tripuri should be used. Kwplai (talk) 13:48, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

You have provided no source to defend your claim. The Census of India link does not work. Chaipau (talk) 08:34, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Groups of Northeast

There are a lot of errors in this page, with Nagas being mentioned as a majority community and at the same time a sub group within the nagas as a minority. It doesn't make sense at all. We should change this data, and also acknowledge the mishaps in the census. https://arunachaltimes.in/index.php/2021/08/12/how-many-tribes-are-there-in-arunachal-pradesh/ This article should provide insights on what I am talking about

If you don't wanna read the whole thing, I will just provide a summary: The representation of tribal demographics in Arunachal Pradesh is fraught with inaccuracies. The notion that the state comprises 26 major tribes and 110 sub-tribes lacks official validation, as these names are not definitively listed in any government documents. This issue is exacerbated by census errors, where tribes like the Nagas are inconsistently represented as both a majority and a minority. This misrepresentation highlights the need for accurate and inclusive enumeration of all tribes to rectify these discrepancies and ensure a true reflection of the state's diverse population. Flyingphoenixchips (talk) 20:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)