Talk:Not All Dogs Go to Heaven

Plot

Not every reader of this page is going to be a Family Guy fan. At [1] User:Immblueversion undid my undo, says in the edit summary, "You don't see articles for other episodes doing this!", after originally removing it with the summary "We're not retarded". Fans of the show may not be retarded, and are in all likelyhood, going to know who Meg and Stewie are; however, we should be attempting to provide context for the reader and state the obvious for readers who are reading the article to learn. It is possible that the reader knows nothing about the subject: the article needs to fully explain the subject."

The plot as written by Immblueversion, which reads

Stewie is furious he does not get a chance to ask any questions to the main cast of Star Trek: The Next Generation at a Star Trek convention, so he builds a transporter, beams the cast over to his house and forces them to spend an entire day with him. Meanwhile, Meg becomes extremely religious, and tries to put convert Brian from atheism.

does nothing to assist readers into understanding who Stewie, Meg or Brian are, or what Star Trek and transporters are. Other than the wikilinks, but that violates WP:ACCESS. Not everyone accesses pages on the computer. They may be printed out or accessed in other ways. The original plot:

The annual Star Trek convention opens in Quahog, the fictional suburb of Providence, Rhode Island that provides the setting for Family Guy. The Griffin family attend the convention, where Stewie Griffin (voiced by Seth MacFarlane), a one-year-old child genius, attends a question-and-answers session with the main cast of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Furious that he does not get a chance to ask any questions, he devises a plan to kidnap the cast. He builds a transporter—a teleportation machine that converts a person into an energy pattern, then "beams" it to a target where it is reconverted into matter—in his bedroom and beams the cast over and forces them to spend an entire day with him. Meanwhile, eldest daughter Meg Griffin (voiced by Mila Kunis), becomes extremely religious, and tries to put convert the family dog, Brian (voiced by Seth MacFarlane), from Atheism.

do all the above, by telling who Stewie and Meg are, and the dog, who they are voiced by, what a transporter is, etc.

Further, when saying "You don't see articles for other episodes doing this!", check out any of the Good or Featured articles in the Lost Season 4 Featured topic, and the FACs that went with them, such as Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Meet Kevin Johnson, where the author was instructed to provide more context for unfamiliar readers. These were all promoted recently, and show what is currently expected of episode summaries for articles. See also Mother and Child Reunion (Degrassi: The Next Generation), which provides information in the same way, and its FAC. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 07:02, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

IMHO, the longer version is much better in an encyclopedia. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 07:48, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Very well, but just know that there's no such page as Family Guy (Season 7) and I wish to take the liberty of changing the link to List of Family Guy episodes with a redirection to the section "Season 7: 2008-2009" of that article. Also, I don't feel it is necessary to actually mention the total episode number count because there is constant debate over the numbering system of these episodes. Some people don't consider the three episodes that made up the film Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story ("Stewie B. Goode", "Bango Was His Name, Oh!", and "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure") as part of the main episode count, and some count the double-length episode "Blue Harvest" to be two episodes; this way, they may be consider the episode "Stewie Kills Lois", advertised as the 100th episode, to actually be the 100th episode. I know it's crazy, and I know it doesn't mention the "Blue Harvest" thing in the episode list article, and I know that adding the total number would add on insignificantly to this controversy, but it just doesn't feel right. Also, sure, people who like The Next Generation are more than likely to check out this episode, and yes, they may not understand that Brian is the family dog with a penchant for dumb blonds, or that Meg is the eldest daughter who is the bane of all existence, or that Stewie is a talking super-genius baby with a questionable sex orientation (all assuming that those people don't watch Family Guy), but adding all that just makes this article seem a bit too one-sided in the favor of Star Trek; after all, this is a Family Guy episode, so it should really even out, and if people want to learn more of the characters, then that's what the links to the character pages are for. I can see now that all that character information is no longer there (trust me, I had nothing to do with this), but I just wanted you to know. And could we get rid of those commas between the names of the guest stars on the "television episode" infobox? It just doesn't look right with all the breaks separating them. Immblueversion (talk) 16:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

It's not just about providing context for Trek fans, it's for providing context for the average reader. This is an encyclopedic page - not a fanpage or a Wikia page. I went ahead and made the other changes you suggested. Regards, Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 17:47, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Trivial?

I added the notes about Stewie's sexuality and Brian's meeting with Jesus because they address the continuity of the series. Does everyone else think that's "trivial" like the person who undid my addition? ShawnVW (talk) 16:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Personally I think people tend to put too much information into the plot summary section. If it's not a relevant plot point, IMO it shouldn't be included. Furthermore, your own phrasing suggests that "Continuity" might be a better location for these items.Doniago (talk) 19:41, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Whatever you call it, its gotta be verifiable. -- The Red Pen of Doom 19:51, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

When Brian starts to Hallucinate about alcohol, the weiger bottle with the Arnold Schwarzenegger accent say "Get to the Choppa" its reffered to the Austrian Death Machine's Get To The Choppa From their Total Brutal album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.104.200.27 (talk) 15:29, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Anyone looking for continuity in this show is going to be gravely disappointed. :)Even the show lampoons that about itself. Elecmahm (talk) 13:00, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. In If I'm Dyin', I'm Lyin', Brian and Lois both beg Peter not to feign godhood, then correctly realize that the family has been visited with the Ten Plagues. Part of the joke of the series is its total lack of continuity. I dare you, sir, to give me a timeline of all of Peter's job's over the years. ;) Wellspring (talk) 01:35, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Reference

I don't think I saw anything about the major Calvin and Hobbes reference at 4:53. Bill Watterson (the creator of Calvin and Hobbes) didn't want his strip to be animated (probably because Calvin's voice might sound crappy) and I don't know if that counts or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ObiwanLostToBarney (talk • contribs) 01:02, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

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