Talk:October (soundtrack)

Notability concerns

I've got strong concerns about the notability of this album. The main reason the article was created was to use the soundtrack image which couldn't be done on the film's page as the film's poster is adequate. A handful of brief reviews and just basic release references does not seem enough to meeting WP:NALBUMS. Ravensfire (talk) 14:18, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Ravensfire: The album is perfectly satisfying criteria 1 of WP:NALBUMS. Please try to have policy based arguments and list the policies which are being violated. Your concers don't matter and they won't decrease down this albums notability (don't take this as an insult, it is just a bitter truth). Can you please define brief? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 03:42, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Folks please learn to WP:AGF. Harshrathod50, can you please quote which rule of WP:NALBUMS this article satisfies? Remember whenever you respond to a comment on talk page of wikipedia, your reply will be seen by all the future editors, so if notability is requested kindly comply. --DBigXray 13:16, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

@DBigXray: It is satisfying criteria 1 and 6 in their entirety. Was aired on multiple major national radios of India such as Radio Mirchi and other. I respect all the editors, all I'm asking him is to supply me with the policy or statement that this page is violating. I will wait for seven days, if he can't respond by that time then the {{notability}} tag from the page will be removed. If you too find anything wrong, then say so.

@Ravensfire: has raised the Question of Notability, His job is done. Now its your turn to establish WP:Notability, so please do not give him ultimatums. I am Neutral here. Can you please share the links for Policy#1. Please note The links should be about the album and not about the Movie October. Regarding #6 or #7 I think you are discounting the word "Substantial". Basically my understanding is if a song is super hit, it will be covered by a lot of news sites and you will get a lot of sources to easily satisfy notability. if 1 song is hit it will not mean the album is hit, The coverage should be of multiple songs in teh album or of the album itself. In the absence of the notability, the article will either be deleted or will have to be merged with the movie article. --DBigXray 15:43, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Harshrathod50 Please understand the WP:Notability is not established by posting a bundle of links. Even if there are 2-3 links but they clearly show that the album is widely important and deserves a seperate article to elaborate upon the album. Also understand that as a part of Film promotions, tabloids are paid to write blogs or articles about the music video, those links e.g. DNA does not help in anyway in proving notability. --DBigXray 15:29, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

@DBigXray: Not commenting on the issue of notability or separate article, but DNA is considered RS according to WP:ICTFFAQ. Thanks! Vivek Ray (talk) 15:36, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Please dont use ping, I have this talk page watchlisted. I do not claim DAN as not RS. I am sure DNA has an article on all the music videos of all major Bollywood movies. It does not prove the notability and does not mean all those movies deserve a seperate music album article. --DBigXray 15:40, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

This is going overboard. Please dont add details that are not encyclopaedic. That will not help in the test of notability WP:NMUSIC Please check any Featured article and good article about Music album to understand what is expected. --DBigXray 17:11, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

• Still have notability concerns. A couple of reviews which is basically just routine coverage tied to the release of the film. There's nothing to show that this soundtrack has any notability independent of the film, such as notable awards, national chart or other criteria in NALBUM. Yes, there are reviews - it's a film soundtrack. Shockingly, after a film release you get reviews of the film and the soundtrack. Right now, this should be part of the film article. The ONLY reason this article is around is because one editor wants the image of the soundtrack to show and since it's non-free, it can't appear on the film article. I can't see any reason not to start and AFD to merge this back to the film article. Simply put, nothing in the article demonstrates enough notability independent of the film. Ravensfire (talk) 18:42, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

@Ravensfire: 2018 has not even finished its halfway run and you are already thinking that this album should have major awards with it. First let the award ceremonies commence then talk about awards. Is it mandatory that an album should not get reviews after being released, or because it happens with every album, or it should have pre-release reviews? Don't you see that there are full-featured reviews just on the soundtrack? I need citation for your statement. You say again and again that the only reason I made this article is because I wanted to use that image in the infobox. I don't care if it lives or dies on WP because I have the image embedded in all the songs of this album in my phone, and it appears everytime I play them. 😎 I made this article because this album did receive enough coverage in media, radio (I can't cite the charts because they don't release it on web just like Billboard does) and web. I completely disagree with your last statement. Do you know of any national chart here in India? List them in your next please. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 15:57, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

This article should still be part of the main film article and not split off prematurely as you did solely to get the soundtrack image included. If and only if there are mentions independent of the film should it be split off. The full reviews are routine coverage from the release of the film. Why do you think most film soundtracks don't have their own article? It's exactly that problem. Ravensfire (talk) 16:07, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

• User:Harshrathod50 please assume good faith User:Ravensfire is just sharing his observation (a personal opinion) You can state your disagreement with his "pic comment", story over. Even I dont agree to that opinion. Anyway, the topic of the discussion is not the pic but the WP:N of the article. As I have said before, We cannot have seperate article waiting for the album to win prizes in future. see WP:CRYSTAL which clearly states the same. if it really do get several awards and widespread coverage, we can get a seperate article for the album. (although I doubt it will get that widespread coverage) Anyway we are not here to speculate what will happen or not. User:Ravensfire, @Winged Blades of Godric: and myself believe this should get merged in the wider interest of the readers of the October movie article, who are currently missing this information. If you still disagree with our consensus, then we will agree to disagree and then move on to the next step of Consensus building via a WP:MERGE discussion or an WP:AFD. We have given enough reasons for a new contributor like you, please do not take it personally. You are doing good work here, just dont ignore the policies. thanks. --DBigXray 17:08, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

• @Harshrathod50: I am still waiting for your reply to my Question above. If you agree, I would merge this album article to Movie page (you can do this as well). If you disagree I will have to proceed to WP:AFD for getting a wider consensus and get this Merged. In the interest of saving community time at AfD , I suggest you to merge this yourself. Thanks--DBigXray 21:35, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Concur with this approach. And should the notability change later on, I'll be glad to see a stand-alone article with the new information. Ravensfire (talk) 01:42, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

I agree with Ravensfire and wait until fall 2018, by then musical award ceremonies will start commencing. After this much opposition I am loosing faith in this album. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 13:06, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Not to be confused section

Hi, Is this the exclusive music album of the move or something other than the movie album? The Lead and the not to be confused section gives an impression that it is something other than the movie music album --DBigXray 15:24, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

@DBigXray: The tag can be removed. It doesn't add much as both the articles are about the same thing. Was thinking to remove it for a while now, but I am in my procrastination phase it seems! Thanks Vivek Ray (talk) 15:39, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, please do not use png, the page is watchlisted. It will be a good idea to clarify this is the music album of the movie in the lead. --DBigXray 15:41, 10 June 2018 (UTC)  Done I did it myself, as it is generally done. --DBigXray 16:37, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Personnel

This is going overboard. Please dont add details that are not encyclopaedic. That will not help in the test of notability WP:NMUSIC Please check any Featured article and good article about Music album to understand what is expected. --DBigXray 17:11, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

@DBigXray: Please quote text or statement from WP policies and essays which say so. All of the credits listed are verifiable from Official Audio Jukebox link in the infobox. There is no info about this issue in WP:NMUSIC. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 13:43, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

WP:NOTYELLOWPAGES covers it --DBigXray 14:29, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

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@Winged Blades of Godric: Discuss here and prove yourself. Implicitly saying that some sources are trivia. Let's see what you come up with now. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 06:47, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Did you miss the aforesaid link by DbigXray? ∯WBG^converse 07:12, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Haha... what a joke, there is no such thing about this issue there. What makes you think I am creating a directry of phone numbers here? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 07:35, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
My argument: It is about the personnel section of this album. The reference they have provided goes nowhere outside but WP pages. According to me, those references there are redundant, so please why don't you go there and remove the entire section with the edit summary "trivia"? It will make sense there. And then do the same thing here. @DBigXray: Assuming good faith I have just one doubt that what makes you think that the entire personnel section is a directory of any kind? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 08:38, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

• hi Harsh, Your response to other editors are borderline WP:BATTLE mentality. Please understand that we are here to improve the wikipedia. Also understand that you do not WP:OWN it. When WBG or ME make a comment here it is more to do with the article quality and based on our experience. This condescending or insulting tone of comments will not get you a longway here. When I linked WP:NOTYELLOWPAGES it does not mean I am calling ur edit as directory, you took it quite literally. It was a link to the Wiki Policy that explains why an indiscriminate list of all the persons does not belong to encyclopedia. If a person is WP:Notable or his contribution is notable only then we can add it. That said, The article still fails WP:NMUSIC to have its own article, in the Section on top you have still not answered to my questions. I was waiting for you to help you find sources to establish notability, let me know if you have nothing more to add. --DBigXray 09:50, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

• Concur. Wikipedia articles shouldn't include every small detail about something. Compare to film articles, you don't see the full credit listing for a film. You cover the major credits. The edit noted above is way into WP:TRIVA and should be removed. Ravensfire (talk) 18:44, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

@Ravensfire and DBigXray: Yes, this was response I was looking for. Please give me an explanation for the ill-referenced personnel section of this article which is not at all verifiable. Answer me first. DBigXray, please list your questions in your next reply and I will answer in the same manner. I am also experienced here. My edits are purely inspired by other pages. Ranvensfire, is not the personnel section of that page trivia? I still don't understand why there are some nuisance editing practices in the Indian film articles. If you remember the matter with music parameter of infoboxes. The instructions say just to list score composers there, but no, major part of members in Indian Cinema WikiProject go against it. Any thoughts? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 15:35, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Also, please indent your posts correctly - it's challenging to follow the discussion flow. WP:INDENT can help you understand how to correctly indent your posts. Ravensfire (talk) 15:40, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

The essay says that the other stuff arguments can be valid or invalid and the comparisons can be important. So, all I am asking you is to perform a check and keep your input ahead. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 16:20, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Okay, I removed the controversial stuff. And messed up the edit summary. Forgot to add "can't" in the last statement. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 11:44, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

• Thanks for understanding. Please follow WP:INDENT while replying on talk pages, as pointed above by User:Ravensfire. Also waiting for your reply in the Notability section on the top. --DBigXray 13:33, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

The Gr8 P!nk Wrld

Kouthar Abrahams, is a singer/ songwriter who is about to release her very first album for Republic Records, she says that this album will be put on Spotify and other music apps very soon. She was born in Cape Town, on the 2 of October 2005 and is also a soccer player for her high school in Portlands, Mitchell's Plain. She says she can't wait to start singing with her boyfriend Geovanno Alfonso Isaacs in the studio with the producers and directors. She also says a few music videos will be recorded with him in it and will have a few visual effects added to it. Her boyfriend is supporting her and they will also be making a movie with the songs she has made in it. She says that people around the world will be inspired by her and she will make her dream possible with him my her side. Kouthar (talk) 07:12, 11 April 2023 (UTC)