Talk:One Person Playing Two Roles

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus and also to ensure this and other discussions don't create an inconsistency, a new multi-move request has been setup over at Talk:No Regrets (Faye Wong album)#Requested multi-page move and all editors are highly encouraged to voice your thoughts over there. (non-admin closure) Tiggerjay (talk) 15:06, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

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One Person, Two Roles → Yat yan fan sik leung gok – This title (一人分饰两角) may have been translated into "One Person, Two Roles" by fans and the 2009 article (which must have used Wikipedia as a translator), but there are no other sources translating it very accurately into other titles. 'yat yan' (一人) means "one person"; 'fan sik' (分饰) could mean "playing", "impersonating", or something like that; 'leung gok' (两角) means "two roles". Nevertheless, the current title is omitting translation of 'fan sik'. George Ho (talk) 06:07, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

• Comment Added 2 Chinese sources, cannot find a hint in English. The Chinese says One Person Playing Two Roles, a more common expression in English. I would still say Yat yan fan sik leung gok (Faye Wong EP) to make it clear the subject is a Faye Wong EP. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:10, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Okay; proposal of parenthetical disambiguation on Faye Wong-related topics with unambiguous names is getting old. --George Ho (talk) 15:42, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Old or not, I personally am not rushing to support a move to a romanized title that doesn't exist in printed sources, when there are several competing romanization systems for Cantonese, which fails WP:NAMINGCRITERIA #1 and 2. The avoidance of parenthetical assistance (in this case assistance rather than disambiguation). Of course the English title here is invented as well. But at least the invented English title doesn't have the lack of WP:CANTONESE guidance for how to spell "One person, two roles". In ictu oculi (talk) 01:53, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Not using romanized title in sources is not enough reason to oppose the request. --George Ho (talk) 23:49, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

• Support as proposed George is right, I am wrong. Even with confusion between Jyutping and Yale (the proposal is Yale) no reason why Cantonese shouldn't be treated as Mandarin or Japanese when no English title exists. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Noted at Amazon.com (oddly) in Mandarin Yi Ren Fen Shi Liang Jiao, should redirect to proposed Cantonese Yat yan fan sik leung gok. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:56, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

• Even though MOS:ALBUM supports the nomination, I don't think that is a great policy, and would prefer One Person Playing Two Roles as an unmistakable direct translation and per the English cover version. – Fayenatic London 19:15, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. Firstly, this proposal doesn't even remotely fit the policy of being recognizable to readers. Secondly, the naming convention at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Album article style guide (aka MOS:ALBUM) is being taken out of context. The style guide starts It is intended only as a guide, to assist in writing well-developed articles. The section Naming does state Translations of titles in languages other than English should not be used as titles unless such a translation is commonly used as a title for the album in the English-speaking world, but also links to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) which of course reads The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language.... I think the style guide should be clarified, but what I think it's trying to say is that if English sources use a translation, we should use it. And if there are few English sources, as here, we still use those we have. Andrewa (talk) 16:19, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Multi-page move

Please see a new multi-move request has been setup over at Talk:No Regrets (Faye Wong album)#Requested multi-page move and all editors are highly encouraged to voice your thoughts over there. Tiggerjay (talk) 15:08, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:No Regrets (Faye Wong album) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 16:44, 28 April 2013 (UTC)