Talk:OpenAI/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

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The lead may need to be reworked

There are still a few potential issues with the lead in my opinion:

1. The removal and reinstatement of Altman deserves a sentence, but probably not a full paragraph. Currently, it occupies the third paragraph, and it is partially outdated.
2. Repetition of "AI boom" in the first paragraph.
3. The second paragraph contains information that a lot of readers may not be interested in and might even consider a bit boring, such as the name of cofounders that are not very well known. I'm not sure, but perhaps these details are not important enough to be in the lead.

Alenoach (talk) 22:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I think that the average person that just reads the lead doesn't really need to know each member of OpenAI's board, and sentences like "The new initial board included former Salesforce co-CEO Bret Taylor as chairman." in the lead may not even help the average reader understand what OpenAI is, especially if you don't know the mentioned person. We should probably rethink what's the essential information to provide in this lead for a general audience.

But I would appreciate some feedback to know what other contributors think, before making significant modifications. Alenoach (talk) 02:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Some ideas for what to mention in the third paragraph:

• resignations based on safety practices
• copyright controversy and lawsuits
• Nakasone and Microsoft on the board
• new partnerships

WeyerStudentOfAgrippa (talk) 13:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for responding late. Your modifications on the third paragraph seem fine. It may indeed also make sense to have a brief mention of the resignations based on safety practices, and in the 2nd paragraph a mention of the partnership with Apple.

Also, I propose to replace the sentence "Microsoft provided OpenAI Global, LLC with a US$1 billion investment in 2019 and a $10 billion investment in 2023, with a significant portion of the investment in the form of computational resources on Microsoft's Azure cloud service." by the sentences: "Microsoft owns 49% of OpenAI Global, LLC, having invested US$13 billion.[1] It also provides computing resources to OpenAI through its Microsoft Azure cloud platform.[2]"

I also think that the first paragraph should mention DALL-E, Sora, and the term "generative AI". Alenoach (talk) 03:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

@Alenoach Agree. The lead section is too detailed, and there's a lot of content in the article not summarized. The list of founders could be moved out of the lead section. The third paragraph is too detailed and could be reduced. The last sentence of the first paragraph could focus on ChatGPT or other notable products. WeyerStudentOfAgrippa (talk) 12:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Observer board seats

Quick searching indicates that both Microsoft and Apple have declined observer seats on OpenAI's board. This may be worth discussion in the article body, but without that I don't think it belongs in the lead section. WeyerStudentOfAgrippa (talk) 12:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

For example, this Reuters article notes "regulatory scrutiny":

https://www.reuters.com/technology/microsoft-ditches-openai-board-observer-seat-amid-regulatory-scrutiny-2024-07-10/

WeyerStudentOfAgrippa (talk) 12:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Stated goals

The article starts with the stated goals of OpenAI. I think that should be replaced with what the company actually does. PhotographyEdits (talk) 08:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

The aim to build AGI is pretty unusual yet central to the company, and the term "safe and beneficial" is appropriately quoted. So in my opinion, it's not really a problem, but I don't know what other contributors think. Alenoach (talk) 15:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

It is worth noting that the mission is not to build AGI, though I agree that the company currently aims to do so.

The charter blog post says:

> OpenAI’s mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence (AGI)—by which we mean highly autonomous systems that outperform humans at most economically valuable work—benefits all of humanity. We will attempt to directly build safe and beneficial AGI, but will also consider our mission fulfilled if our work aids others to achieve this outcome.

(I have edited the page to fix this.) Rgreenblatt1 (talk) 18:21, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

SearchGPT

As per MOS:LEAD I think it is worth mentioning launch of SearchGPT in lead. people keep removing it. it is a major product they launched in several months. Astropulse (talk) 22:06, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

@Alenoach Astropulse (talk) 22:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Here is a message that I posted on Astropulse's Talk page:

Hi Astropulse, I think it's still a bit too early to mention SearchGPT in the lead section of the article on OpenAI. But maybe one day, if it's fully released and has significant notability, it would be good to change the sentence "As a leading organization in the ongoing AI boom, OpenAI is known for the GPT family of large language models, the DALL-E series of text-to-image models, and a text-to-video model named Sora." into something like "As a leading organization in the ongoing AI boom, OpenAI is known for the GPT family of large language models, the DALL-E series of text-to-image models, a text-to-video model named Sora and the search engine SearchGPT."

And the response:

MOS:LEAD lead section is an introduction to an article and a summary of its most important contents. It gives the basics in a nutshell and cultivates interest in reading on. It should identify the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies.

It doesn't need to be significant notability. just notable. It launch has received lots of attention and is worth mentioning in lead

The choice of mentioning it in the lead or not is not obvious. There are various reliable sources on it, but like for a lot of things related to OpenAI that are not in the lead. I guess I would at least wait for the full release before mentioning it, if it's significant enough, by modifying the sentence "As a leading organization ...", because if readers can't yet use SearchGPT, perhaps it's not yet relevant for them to have it in the lead.

I'll let other Wikipedia editors decide on this. Alenoach (talk) 22:49, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

We just adding On July 26 2024, OpenAI announced SearchGPT an AI powered search engine. Astropulse (talk) 23:47, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

its a separate sentence Astropulse (talk) 23:48, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, if you argue for adding this as the separate sentence "On July 26 2024, OpenAI announced SearchGPT an AI powered search engine.", then it's lengthier and I'm more opposed, sorry. There are really a lot of things with OpenAI that make news headlines. But I propose to wait for the feedback of other contributors to see what they think. Alenoach (talk) 00:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

I have no doubt that SearchGPT will be notable enough to mention in the lead once launched, but what's the rush? Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS and so far all we have is routine announcement coverage that all says the same thing. We don't even know if it will be available this year (after they released and then un-released browsing in ChatGPT last year I'd expect them to be cautious with the timeline). Lets wait until the article has substantial coverage, right now there are just 2 sentences about it. Jamedeus (talk) 01:52, 28 July 2024 (UTC)