Talk:Operation Enduring Freedom – Horn of Africa

Undone Casualties

Truth be told, I don't have any sources for the pirate casualties. All I did was tally up the casualties from the other articles about pirate incidents during OEF and record them in the info-box.50.129.89.173 (talk) 22:52, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Dead reference

Reference #32 doesn't exist anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.176.249.109 (talk) 17:17, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Split from CJTF-HOA

Just as it would make little sense to have "OEF" and "CENTCOM" on one page, I have split the mission (OEF-HOA) away from the command (CJTF-HOA). While they can be linked articles, I believe that the pages should be distinct. It was becoming problematic when I was reading such wrongful statements as "Operation Enduring Freedom - Horn of Africa (CJTF-HOA) is a unit of United States Central Command." OEF-HOA is not a unit. CJTF-HOA is a unit. --Petercorless 08:53, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

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OEF-HOA is not a "battle." It is an ongoing military operation. --Petercorless 07:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Heh. Already replied on your talk page. ;-) Kirill Lokshin 07:07, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

We should add this "battle": MY Le Ponant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MY_Le_Ponant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.85.95.212 (talk) 19:32, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Casualties

The only confirmed casualties that the US military admits to inflicting are the 8-10 killed in the AC-130 gunship in January 2007. There was a second gunship attack, which might also have a casualty figure associated with it. Others tried to inflate OEF-HOA casualties by conflating casualties caused in the Second Battle of Mogadishu and the Rise of the Islamic Courts Union (2006), or elsewise as part of the War in Somalia (2006–present). However, those other actions were not officially conducted as part of OEF-HOA, and those casualty figures should not be double-reported or conflated with the actions which were strictly a limited pair of AC-130 strikes by the U.S. --Petercorless 07:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Sideshows: Action of March 18 2006 & Action of June 3 2007

There are two short articles on very minor naval operations Action of March 18 2006 and Action of June 3 2007 which could be merged into this one. Observations? ROGER ^TALK 06:46, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

• Comment: Merging into Combined Task Force 150 is probably a better candidate. ROGER ^TALK 06:57, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Removed Jolly Rodger Pirate flag

Isn’t that a little silly, unless those Somali vessels were flying the Jolly Roger? Captain Jack Sparrow is not operating from Somalia as far as I know. Chwyatt 09:34, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Why is the pirate flag here?

Unless there is evidence that 21st century Somali ‘pirates’ are flying 18th century English pirate flags, I cannot see a reason to add that flag. And if those 21st century Somali ‘pirates’ are not flying a flag, why add a flag that is nothing to do with them? There is no official pirate flag.

Further reasons not to have the ‘pirate flag’

The popular image of pirates, which the Jolly Roger represents, in the popular imagination, is nothing like the reality of pirates operating of the African coast in the 21st century. The only reason as some have said for having Jolly Roger is that it represents pirates. But modern piracy is a world apart from the popular myths or reality of 18th century piracy.

Further, two different pirate flags have appeared at different times, so there is no single common pirate flag. And no ‘official generic pirate flag’.

It has been said that Islamic terrorists don’t fly the flag of jihad. If that is the case, then that is a reason not to have the flag of jihad.

It simply isn’t encyclopaedic. Chwyatt (talk) 07:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Renaming the fork articles/why there is a need for them?

The names for the subsections seem to be prime candidates for confusion, and in addition, the sections by themselves on this page aren't long enough to fork the articles, which most of them are just as short. Proposed merger for all of the smaller articles. ηoian ‡orever ηew ‡rontiers 02:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Action of October 7, 2009

Yesterday, Somalian pirates attacked a French warship, which resulted in a small skirmish at sea and the capture of a pirate skiff.

I am sure someone else has heard of the engagement. I was just curious to know if there are any volunteers for the writing of the action?

I would do it myself but I am not exactly sure how to create a reference using a news article. The article can be found on Yahoo news or CNN, and probably others.--Az81964444 (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Eritrea Flag

I have removed the Eritrea flag, the combatants section of the campaign box is for and only for countries/movements involved in the fighting.

It is not for countries/movements that only supply one of the warring sides, as Eritrea has.--Az81964444 (talk) 21:02, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Propose to remove India as belligerent

While the Indian Navy is involved in combating piracy in Somalia, it does so independently and not as part of Operation Enduring Freedom. Nor is it part of the CTF 150 (I have also made a proposal to correct this on the CTF 150 page). I propose to remove India as a belligerent, unless anyone else has a contrary view. Thanks. Chocolate Horlicks (talk) 19:54, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Done. Also added the clarificatory line:

Pirates are rampant along the coast of Somalia and present a hazard to all shipping there, as such anti piracy operations are a routine part of Operation Enduring Freedom: Horn of Africa. This is done primarily by the Combined Task Force 150 and in parallel to other independent anti-piracy operations conducted off the coast of Somalia by other countries such as China, India and Russia.

Chocolate Horlicks (talk) 01:39, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

USCG Navbox

The involvement of the USCG in this was time limited. Rather, the USN has run the show as USN admirals are usually the Cdr of the operation. An Army general is usually the deputy. There's no justification for the USCG navbox, otherwise every service navbox would be added.--S. Rich (talk) 12:34, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

There is another training mission in Africa

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2011/10/marine-force-recon-africa-lords-resistance-army-102011/

Anybody feel like adding that in? Hcobb (talk) 04:02, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

What is this article about?

As far as I'm aware, only the US uses the term 'Operation Enduring Freedom – Horn of Africa'. Despite this, the article is being filled with information about counter-piracy operations being conducted by other countries, which best belong in the Piracy in Somalia and/or Operation Atalanta articles. The infobox also identifies a wide range of countries as participating in 'Operation Enduring Freedom – Horn of Africa'. I've never seen this term used in reference to Australia's counter-piracy operations (which form part of Operation Slipper), and I very much doubt that it applies to any of the other countries. Nick-D (talk) 03:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I've also removed what purport to be pirate and Somali casualties from this article. These appear to be from stories about casualties inflicted by several countries, and are unlikely to be an accurate total, especially given that these countries are not actually participating in 'Operation Enduring Freedom – Horn of Africa'. Nick-D (talk) 03:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Most early US-Somali pirate engagements were fought by us ships attached to JTF-150 which is under OEF-HOA.XavierGreen (talk) 23:04, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with US-Somali engagements being here (which seems entirely appropriate), but rather the inclusion of other countries. Nick-D (talk) 23:07, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

There are oftentimes foreign vessels attached to JTF-150 so engagements involving those vessels would be under OEF-HOA, but engagements under operations Atlantia and Ocean Shield for instance would not be.XavierGreen (talk) 00:35, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

This article http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/p/piracy_at_sea/index.html should be added.

This article is not precis enough. In my opinion this article should be another one on Piracy in Somalia, however focusing more on the causes of piracy and getting more to the root of the problem. When people talk about piracy in areas as Somalia they never look in depth to the history behind it, because its been around longer than we may realize. The article that I posted here talks about some of the reasons behind Somalia being targeted for pirate attacks. For example it talks about its failing government which is definitely a key aspect when it comes to piracy. You'll see that a majority of the areas that are attacked by pirates are areas of weakened governments with very little military protection of there trade routes and etc.

Another article i'd recommend to be added to this article is http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/31/world/africa/31pirates.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

As I previously stated in my breakdown of the previous article I posted, this article also gives a breakdown on more cause's of why Somalia is so popular to pirate attacks. They have a corrupt everyone for themselves type of government: Not much of an government to say the least. Piracy is breaking this country down. Families, children are starving, thugs on the street fleeing to other cities to become part of the beaming life of the pirates. Wanting the money, the wealth, the fancy things. While the pirates are expanding and turning the waters of Somalia into on the most dangerous trade routes in the world, Somalia its self as a country is crashing and burning as each day passes.

One last key element I feel should be added to this article would have to be solutions. Here's an article that talks about just that. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/weekinreview/12gettleman.html

Its not only important to talk about the causes and effects of Piracy in Somalia, but it also vital to start discussing ways to help Somalia get control of this on going issue. Although I know this is not an issue that can be solved over night, but it is one that can be more efficiently monitored. A key component to this would outside help. Somalia being a country with no stable government nor line of defense, they need protection on there coastal lines. Somalia's being targeted for a reason. It's weak in ever aspect, yet they have trade that also makes them a huge target. Lots of money is being made by the pirates on there attacks on Somalia, and they don't plan on stopping anytime soon. Actions need to be taken, and ideas on what could be some possible starting points are vital to be discussed.

References Gettleman, Jeffery. 2009. Lessons from the Barbary Pirate Wars. New York Times Company Gettleman, Jeffery. 2008. Somalia's Pirates flourish in lawless Nation. New York Times Company N/A. 2012. Piracy at Sea-News. New York Times Company (Dinahoop (talk) 07:35, 3 October 2012 (UTC))

WP:OFFTOPIC. This article specifically deals with Operation Enduring Freedom – Horn of Africa (OEF-HOA), an anti-terrorism and anti-piracy initiative. The Indian Ocean piracy issue in general is dealt with on the Piracy in Somalia page. Middayexpress (talk) 16:15, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

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Did "Operation Enduring Freedom - Horn of Africa" ever exist?

Petercorless you appear to have split this article from CJTF-HOA back in February 2007. Can you point me to a WP:RELIABLE, WP:SECONDARY source supporting the existence of "Operation Enduring Freedom - Horn of Africa?" Any DOD primary supporting source? Are you aware that President Obama ceased using the term OEF in favor of "Overseas Contingency Operations?" Buckshot06 (talk) 21:48, 20 June 2023 (UTC)