Talk:Operation Grandslam/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Catlemur (talk · contribs) 19:15, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

• Briefly mention why Katanga succeeded and its mineral wealth.
• Why did Operation Rumpunch and Operation Morthor fail?
• Specify all the nations involved in ONUC in the main body of the article. Nigeria and Malaysia are not mentioned in the note. In case the note stays it should be referenced.
• Mention that Front de Libération nationale congolaise and other separatist militias continued their armed struggle and that the Katanga insurgency has yet to end in the lede, the infobox and the Fate of Katanga section.

Other comments may follow soon.--Catlemur (talk) 19:15, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Nominator's response:

• 1- Could you please clarify for me? When you say "success" do you mean an explanation as to why they had lasted for 2.5 years? And when you mineral wealth, do you mean UMHK's financial support of the secession? @Catlemur: I think I've addressed this.
• 2- To be clear, Operation Rumpunch was by no means "failed"; it was a roundup and mass deportation of foreign mercenaries in the Congo in 1961, and largely succeeded (without a shot being fired). Operation Morthor occurred later that year and while it was far greater in scope it wasn't necessarily designed to crush Katangese opposition, like Grandslam (it is worth noting that during Morthor a UN official did prematurely inform the press that the Katangese secession movement was "over" following ONUC's actions). Katanga fought ensuing battle to a stalemate, and the operation did, for all intents and purposes, fail. I chose not include a recap of these events because it didn't seem pertinent to the article. They took place over 2 years prior to Grandslam, and did not share its decisive aims. It was in fact Operation Unokat and the following ceasefire, the Kitona Declaration, that set the stage for Grandslam. Both Boulden and Mockatis (and some other sources) draw a direct line between the failed implementation of the Kitona Declaration and escalation of ONUC's attitude, culminating in Grandslam. Thoughts? @Catlemur: Ok, I think I've addressed this.
• 3- I think I've resolved this.
• 4- I think I've also sufficiently resolved this. While the Katanga insurgency continues, it is no longer being fought by the secessionist successors to the original gendarme rebels, who recently surrendered to pursue their aims in a more peaceful fashion. I have mentioned this resolution in the body article. What are your thoughts?

• 3 and 4 are resolved. I misspoke on the first point. What I meant was: Why did they decide to create an independent state? Was it because of Katanga's mineral wealth?

As far as the 2nd point goes, highlight that they were limited in scope and that Morthor resulted in a stalemate.--Catlemur (talk) 10:51, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

-Indy beetle (talk) 04:27, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

• @Indy beetle: 2 has been dealt with.--Catlemur (talk) 15:56, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
• I believe 1 has been sufficiently covered. The article is well written, the sources are verifiable, there are numerous photos, the content is stable and broad in its coverage. I have not noticed any POV pushing. Closing this.--Catlemur (talk) 11:15, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

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