Talk:Operation Swords of Iron

Defining the scope of our article/redirect for "Operation Swords of Iron"

Collecting this here rather than edit summaries or talk pages of all the related articles...

Currently, the article on the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip has this term bolded at the top, but the redirect for "Operation Swords of Iron" points to Israel-Hamas war. This is confusing, and should be rectified.

"Operation Swords of Iron" is Israel's name for their operations in the whole of the Israel-Hamas war. The operations started on October 7 [1], and Israel continues to refer to the entire war as the "Swords of Iron war" [2]. As such, readers who search for "Operation swords of iron" are, in all likelihood, looking for our primary article on the war as a whole. We should redirect them there.

Following the convention of WP:RPLA, this term should be bolded wherever it redirects to. We could accommodate this with a slight modification of this part of the lead of Israel-Hamas war:

Israel launched one of the most destructive bombing campaigns in modern history and invaded Gaza on 27 October with the stated objectives of destroying Hamas and freeing hostages.

To:

Israel launched Operation Swords of Iron, starting one of the most destructive bombing campaigns in modern history and invading Gaza on 27 October with the stated objectives of destroying Hamas and freeing hostages.

To anyone who cares to weigh in, I'm literally begging - check your POVs at the door, and only ask yourself "where do our readers want to go when they type in 'Operation swords of iron' in the search box?" That is the article we should redirect to. PhotogenicScientist (talk) 15:02, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Also worth noting - "Operation swords of iron" encompasses both Israeli bombing of the Gaza Strip and the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip. Redirecting to one article or the other isn't ideal, as it doesn't accurately capture the scope of the operation. PhotogenicScientist (talk) 15:21, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Deal with issues on other pages at those pages, not here. Selfstudier (talk) 15:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

What is the issue with centralizing discussions with all interested parties?

Also, @Selfstudier I pointed you to this discussion in my edit summary, where you would've seen a reference to WP:RPLA which recommends how we treat bolding of redirected titles, but you still reverted me with an edit summary that disregards the documentation there. What the hell, man? PhotogenicScientist (talk) 15:38, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Discuss the revert at Israel Hamas war. There is no need for a centralized discussion. Selfstudier (talk) 16:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

So, you're going to refuse to engage in consensus-building unless it's done so at the "right" place?. PhotogenicScientist (talk) 16:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Did you not understand what I said? Selfstudier (talk) 16:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm understanding that I've brought up valid points for discussion with the editor who reverted my contribution, and that you've soundly ignored them. PhotogenicScientist (talk) 20:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I reverted your edit at the Israel Hamas war page, Idk why you keep discussing that here. Selfstudier (talk) 21:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

"Disagreements are resolved through consensus-based discussion, not by tightly sticking to rules and procedures". PhotogenicScientist (talk) 21:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

That's the second time you have linked that. How many editors do you think watch this page? Stop wasting my time (and your own). Selfstudier (talk) 23:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I made a BOLD edit, you reverted me. "How many editors" need to discuss this besides us two, to start? PhotogenicScientist (talk) 21:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

@Nableezy that isnt an alt title for the overall article, just one aspect of it Which is why I didn't put it in the first sentence, or even the first paragraph. But our redirect points to that article - the first mention of the phrase should be in bold so as to not astonish readers. PhotogenicScientist (talk) 22:15, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I opened a discussion on the talk page it belongs on, that being Talk:Israel–Hamas war. Please respond there. nableezy - 22:23, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Does it really matter, if you and I have a disagreement, where we discuss? PhotogenicScientist (talk) 22:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

yes, because that talk page will have many more people watching it and potentially be willing to weigh in, giving us a better idea of what consensus is for a change. nableezy - 22:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)