Talk:Order of Merit of the Italian Republic

Knighthood

• I corrected misunderstanding grade "Knight" and noble title "Knight". Modern orders of merit, bestowed by republic, cannot grant noble title "Knight", they are not chivalric orders or military orders and members are not dubbed. For example, similarly, Officer of order is not officer of Army. --Yopie (talk) 18:13, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Yopie, I disagree. Your statement is correct for the "English" tradition, however, Europe has hundreds of different traditions. Italy for instance is a whole different ball game. If you go back even before the modern monarchies, the ancient Italian republics do have a tradition of conferring knighthood, the oldest orders were actually from institutions in Italy, example: Order of San Jacopo of Altopascio. Regards, Paulista01 (talk) 04:53, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

The post-nominal letters OMRI

I would like to see a source for the sentence "Members of the order may use the post-nominal letters OMRI." As per instructions from a fellow editor, I tried to "google it" (even before adding the tag citation needed in the first place) but I could not find anything to support this. In my opinion, post-nominals are not very much in use in Italy and the Italian sources stay silent on the matter. --Pxos (talk) 03:29, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi Pxos, done. Regards, Paulista01 (talk) 04:22, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for adding a source. I still find it a little curious that there are no Italian sources on this. You can find a great deal of information on the British usage (John Smith, OBE) as it is well established, but after a semi-extensive net-search I was not able to find anything. There seems to be merely one article in a British (!) journal of linguistics. Could this be British usage applied to foreign titles and decorations? --Pxos (talk) 05:13, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I have seen it in Italian texts, however, it is rare. You are correct, in Italy it is not very common. The British are very formal about the use of post-nominal letters. I have also found it in Australian, German and American sources. Cheers! Paulista01 (talk) 05:31, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Dubious

I have marked the sentence dubious. I talked to an Italian who said that he has never seen the post-nominals used even in official documents. There is simply no valid Italian source for this usage, and I cannot get hold of the reference article in the Linguist until Monday (21 Feb 2011). The claim is dubious because it might very well be the case that the post-nominals are used in English-speaking countries to indicate that a person has been awarded (in some instances, a foreign) decoration, e.g. John Smith, CBE, OMRI. Since the article concerns mostly the Italian practice, the sentence should probably be rephrased. The statutes of the order say that the Order of Merit can be awarded for "special merits to the nation" and in five classes, but they do not say anything about the titles that go with the award, let alone post-nominals. In my home country (Finland) there are also certain abbreviations used for various decorations (e.g. VR3 for the 3rd class of the Cross of Liberty, but these abbreviations are only used in formal lists of decorated citizens, never "post-nominally". --Pxos (talk) 23:07, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

2001.

Was the removal of the crowns in 2001 a move to distance from the Monarchy? 176.14.231.44 (talk) 20:40, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

List of recipients

Do we need the list of recipients? No we do not. It isn't present in the Italian-language version of this article. It doesn't aid in the understanding of the topic. It is simply a long and unnecessary list of heads-of-state that visited Italy, with only primary source coverage. I removed this once and it was reverted by an IP; if nobody objects here I do plan to remove it again in the near future. User:力百 (alt of power~enwiki, π, ν) 18:48, 10 November 2021 (UTC)