Talk:Paint/Archives/2014

history?

The history of paint has pretty slim pickings. If it could be expanded that would be great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.19.1.130 (talk) 0:59, 20 September 2006‎ (UTC)

Paint Types

Why is there no mention of iridescent, matte, and gloss paint types? — KlappCK (talk) 18:00, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

"One may also consider the digital mimicry thereof."

Weird phrase. Doesn't really say anything. Removing it.77.103.132.143 (talk) 11:59, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Unsorted talk

Is 'solvent' the right word for the liquid suspending the pigment? The word typically used in art and art history contexts is medium -- of course, artists and art historians are notoriously obtuse about science, so if 'solvent' is the technical term in that context, all well and good, and we just need a sentence to explain "medium/media" --MichaelTinkler

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I question the definition given in the first paragraph, since stains for wood also color the surface of an object. I'm not sure if stains qualify as "paints"; the entries I'm seeing for the two online and in the OAD seem to avoid each other nicely.

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Good questions; I am by no means an artist or chemist :-) I'll work in "medium". I honestly did not even think of stains. Please feel free to edit as necessary! --Alan Millar

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Various ideas for this article. I'm putting them here in the waystation first because I'm not sure of their merits.

• mention of relative ease of use of different paints--subjective, yes, but almost everyone agrees that oil is more difficult than acrylic, and it doesn't take a genius to see that watercolor is extremely difficult--one stray brushstroke and it's ruined; you can't stop the flow of water. Compare this to acrylic and oil, which can at least be scraped off and / or painted over. Adding more paint in those two media does not affect the paint already on the object
• mention of Bob Ross, the only acrylic artist I can think of at the moment. of course caveats about his general critical drubbings, but he *has* been immensely popular, and I think being able to turn a blank canvas into a finished painting in <60 minutes is remarkable. Also he was a do-it-yourselfer and a proletariat.  :-)
• mention of wood paint, as compared to wood stain--one of the few paints or maybe the only one which can generally be removed completely and the original object restored to its original state, or very near it. Try that with a canvas.  :-)
• mention of varnishes, lacquers, other means of preservations of paintings
• mention of restorations of paintings -- way out of my league here
• more info on milk paint. I've never heard of it

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WELL: it doesn't take a genius to see that watercolor is extremely difficult--one stray brushstroke and it's ruined is certainly historically true (like a friend of mine says, "It's as true as it ever was" :-) but really is no longer, thanks (in the main) to quality paper. Turns out that most watercolors remain water soluable (DO place watercolors behind glass!) forever, and so you can lift off bits with sponges or stiff-bristle brushes, or scrape down to the paper with a knife. There are "staining" colors, which as the name suggests, stain the paper so it's harder to remove them completely.

"Milk" paint is usually referred to as casein.

Finally, anyone whose seen Bob Ross' products for sale might dispute characterizing him as a "pure" proletariat :-)

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If anybody has some info about environmental impacts of paint and how to dispose of paint containers, paint residues, etc..., please contribute; it would be very valuable. For instance, I assume that cleaning a brush filled with latex paint in the sink is not very environmentally friendly. Alternatives should be offered (if any exist).--Deragon 20:19, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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This page has one of the best accompanying images on the whole of Wikipedia. My thanks to whoever put it there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.142.20.116 (talk) 23:55, 4 October 2005‎ (UTC)

Seriously though, could we get a slightly more relevant pic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.122.194.27 (talk) 02:54, 2 April 2006‎‎ (UTC)

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Just a quick question. The initial description of what makes a paint states four things, binder, diluent, filler, and additive, and then describes what a binder and a diluent are, leaving everything else as an additive. Now, I know next to nothing about paint, but could someone either add a definition for filler, or perhaps remove it or change it to filler and other additives? Cheers. Antemeridian 15:24, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Surely pigment is an important constituent of paint, no? Bill F 21:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

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Removed the term "graffiti artists" As anyone that graffiti's without permission are vandals, not artists. Considering that the section is talking about "anti graffiti" substances, I think this a fair edit 121.209.49.111 (talk) 06:12, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Rewrite of definition and compositon of paint

Please excuse the presumption, but I did an impromptu refinement of the definition and compositon of paint, based on a presentation I have been giving for the last couple of decades.

--James52 04:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Reverted to the original definition of paint. Paint is opaque. If the film is not opaque, it's not paint, it's technically varnish if it's clear, stain if it's translucent. Please discuss if there is disagreement.

--James52 07:39, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, let's look at the definition of paint, shall we?

Original: Paint is any liquid, liquifiable, or mastic composition which after application to a substrate in a thin layer is converted to an opaque solid film.

Version with Clarity: Paint is any liquid medium, containing a pigment, which after application to a substrate in a thin layer is converted to an opaque, translucent, or transparent solid film upon drying.

Hmm, liquid medium is misleading, since some paints come in solid form. See powder coating as one example.

Hmm, containing a pigment is superfluous since it is addressed in the article and is not essential to the basic definition.

Hmm, translucent or transparent are incorrect because they would then be classified as stains or varnishes.

Hmm, drying and curing are also addressed in the article and are not essential to the basic definition.

Nope, sorry, don't see it. Don't see any additional clarity. Please discuss here if there is disagreement.

--James52 18:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Femtosecond laser ablation

Can the femtosecond-laser-ablation technique can be added to teh article as a alternative to paint/coatings (eg for painting vehicles)? If not applicable here, add to the appropriate article See this project by Chunlei Guo http://www.osa-opn.org/Blog/post/2008/02/Colorizing-Metals-Beyond-Basic-Black.aspx — Preceding unsigned comment added by KVDP (talk • contribs) 16:45, 21 April 2009‎ (UTC)

outdoor wood painting tips

I was disapointed with both paint and primer(paint)I had hoped for more cross references such as exteriour paint for wood. Is Kills sutable for both? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ccpoodle (talk • contribs) 19:46, 11 June 2007‎ (UTC)

"latex"

After some considerable research concerning a precisely specified paint for a recent Job that required undercoating with "flat white latex Primer" (a term unheard of in nearly all paint suppliers in the UK) I have become aware that the general term 'latex paint' is widely used in the USA to denote paint refered to in the UK as 'emulsion paint' - delighted that I no longer have to import a tin of emulsion from the USA just because it says latex on the side, I thought I'd update the section on that paint for future reference, giving both names for the acrylic polymer paint. 86.7.226.15 (talk) 15:33, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Dangers

The section DANGERS has no factual references for its claims, e.g. housold paint contains 10,000 chemicals. The references cited, reference 7, "how stuff works..." and reference 8, "Eearth easy" do not cite factual sources for their claims either. I do know how to flag this as citation needed or whateer is appropriate. Would someone please flag this as needing a factual reference. Thanks 75.73.83.248 (talk) 13:56, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

DANGERS seems to source back to an article someone trying to sell their own "natural" paint through scare tactics. The scare article has numerous outright incorrect (one hesitates to call them lies, even if more accurate) modern consumer paint does not have the mercury, cadmium, chromium etc cited in the article - with the exception of some high-end specialty artist paints.

We also need to fix some other items in the article - paint is never conventionally applied as a gas! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.45.4.27 (talk) 20:03, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

medium

We have the term "medium" used twice in the Art section, but unexplained/undefined there or beforehand. "medium" is present in Wiktionary as "a liquid base which carries pigment in paint". I see that some contributors have tried to address the problem on this talk page, to no avail yet. --Jerome Potts (talk) 08:58, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

clarification on solvents

The following line needs clarification: "Water is the main diluent for water-borne paints, even the co-solvent types." We need to explicitly state that water is the diluent/solvent in the common paints such as latex, acrylic latex, acrylic latext enamel. If indeed water is the solvent in these paints then state it explitly like so: "Water is the main diluent/solvent for water-borne paints, such as latex, acrylic latex, acrylic latext enamel". Thank you. Rtdrury (talk) 14:24, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

TSA & PU paint

Please tell me the basic difference between TSA & PU Paint?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.243.8.130 (talk) 20:01, 29 September 2014 (UTC)