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http://www.songfacts.com/detail.lasso?id=474 states that John Lennon called this the "Greatest composition of the 20th century" Can anyone confirm?

Covers

Latest comment: 16 years ago5 comments5 people in discussion

Helloween has never covered this song, the Glenn Tipton's cover is often misused as Helloween's cover.--Hectorcaire (talk) 22:23, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Utada Hikaru , "Amai Wana: Paint It, Black" , must be put in other versions please , Utada Hikaru it's the best japanese superstar. ( Amai Wana :Paint It Black - Album: First Love (1999)

Are there any sources for the covers? E.g. I searched for Einherjer and found one website ([1]) which said "Forever Empire" covered the guitar part - and I dont even see the match --Drohhyn 09:46, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I just heard a cover of this song that said it was done by The Animals. The list at the bottom of the page lists Eric Burdon and War as having covered the song. Does anyone know if the version I heard was Burdon with the Animals or with War? Thanks.

--Spout 20:31, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure The Residents have covered this song? Juryen 23:27, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Rammstein has never covered this song, this was just another fake cover song! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.117.80.2 (talk) 08:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Paint It Black or Paint it Black

Latest comment: 16 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

...does this matter? --Cammoore 04:01, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


Was the song Paint it Black part of the film Interview with the Vampire, and if so, which version was it? I really like Ian McCulloch's voice.

I think it was Sympathy For the Devil in Interview, not Paint It Black. And it was a cover, by G'n'fn'R. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.226.136.0 (talk) 02:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

VNV Nation techno?

Latest comment: 16 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I know, musical genre names come and go, but VNV nation isn't techno but futurepop

VNV didn't do a cover of this song. --PrisonerOfPain (talk) 21:38, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Mondegreen?

Latest comment: 17 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The "misheard" lyrics also appear on the official website of the Rolling Stones: http://www.rollingstones.com/discog/?v=so&a=1&id=49 so it does not seem to be a case of mishearing so much as a case of a mismatch between the lyrics as they are sung and the lyrics as they are officially published.

I disagree. All the different versions of this song I could find matched the official lyrics. Maybe the american version difers from the european one? --Pnwk 21:05, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, correction: After listening carefully to the song on 40 Licks I changed my mind. The song does actually say "I must have it painted black". Pnwk geitweol 19:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pnwk (talk • contribs).
How is "and it has been" a mondegreen of "and I want it"? I'm pretty understanding when it comes to hearing deficiencies, but I don't think anyone in their right mind could hear "it has been" as "I want it". This sounds not only like original research, but BAD original research.

Fair use rationale for Image:RStones-PiB-Decca.jpg

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Trivia?

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Anyone else find it a travesty that over half of this article is made up of trivia which has no actual bearing on the song? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.188.169 (talk) 22:28, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I completely agree. I suggest that the trivia should be reduced to those that are interesting or noteworthy. In its present form, the article is, unfortunately, not of encyclopedic quality. And as I am a Stones fan, that is a sad thing to see. AussieBoy (talk) 08:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Is there a swedish film called Joa, degen and Daver? I sure can't find any? —Preceding unsigned comment added by KitanoX42 (talk • contribs) 12:06, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Cultural References

Latest comment: 16 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Ian Rankin named one of his Rebus novels after this song —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.229.151 (talk) 20:09, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Helloween

Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

As stated before, Helloween has never covered this song. It's by Judas Priest guitarist, Glenn Tipton. It is found on his Baptizm of Fire album. SenorFronz (talk) 00:10, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Paint it Black novel

Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Would someone please add a link at the top for the novel by Janet Fitch, as was done for the band of the same name? It would be very appreciated.EthanLeon (talk) 20:21, 20 January 2009 (UTC)Ethan LeonEthanLeon (talk) 20:21, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Title

Latest comment: 15 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Wouldn't "Paint It Black" make more sense? I'm not sure what the policy is, but if Keith Richards said the comma was a mistake, I guess it was meant to just be Paint It Black Gamerunknown (talk) 20:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

It may have been a mistake, but it is the title. --JD554 (talk) 18:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Paint It Black redirection

Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Further input is needed at Talk:Paint It Black over whether it should redirect here or to Paint It Black (disambiguation). --JD554 (talk) 17:41, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: No consensus, page not moved  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:59, 17 April 2010 (UTC)


Paint It, Black → Paint It Black — WP:COMMONNAME PatrikR (talk) 18:31, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

  • Support. Most utterly ridiculous article name I've seen yet. This is a rock standard and the comma is just never used in the song title. Dunno how it survived this long. A quick Google confirms; Wikipedia is unusual if not unique in using the comma. Andrewa (talk) 09:58, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Normally, go with what the song was titled ("Paint It, Black") but, since a bandmember disputes this title and subsequent releases haven't used it, then support per WP:UCN. (cf. Pencil Thin Mustache). — AjaxSmack 01:21, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose This is the title of the song, per the cover. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:56, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Strongly Oppose This is definitely the correct song title, people! Anyone familiar with the Stones' discography can tell you that! PatrikR, Beyond My Ken & Andrewa are obviously not. Utterly ridiculous indeed! Especially since the single sleeve is there for all to see (as noted by Justin (koavf) above) - an inexcusable oversight by these Supportees! (For a recent example of "Paint It, Black"'s unusual, but enduring, typography see the back cover of Forty Licks. Also Live Licks - but I couldn't find a convenient picture. Try eBay.) "Dunno how it survived this long"??!!! Do your homework! The people who wrote this article weren't stupid... And btw, COMMONNAME? Are you serious? Whatever happened to CORRECT NAME...?? This is an encyclopedia after all, not some trend-chasing social site. Wikkitywack (talk) 12:03, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
    • The concept of CORRECT NAME begs the question: Correct according to whom? That's one of the many reasons that using the common name is Wikipedia policy. Record cover art is not a good indicator of common usage, to say the least. Sure we've all seen the record conver. It's no oversight. As to being familiar with Stones discography, I've lost count of the number of versions of this song I've played live with various bands, let alone the number of other bands I've heard cover it, and I've yet to see the commma in a playlist. It's just not there! No change of vote. Andrewa (talk) 07:19, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
    • Yeah...sorry about the overreaction. But tell me: why is record cover art not a good indicator of common usage? Btw, aren't playlists notoriously unreliable when it comes to correct song titles? -Aren't they usually abbreviations of the actual song titles (like on the back cover of Dave Matthews Band Live at Red Rocks '95 - see eBay for a picture)? Wikkitywack (talk) 09:06, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The Stones' official website still uses the comma; just follow the external link in the article to verify this. ReverendWayne (talk) 15:29, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
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WP:COMMONNAME is a policy - it is not decided by a local poll, but by looking at what reliable sources use.

I don't necessarily disagree, but I think you should've filed a new WP:RM rather than boldly overturned the above discussion. There was also non-trivial history and talk page discussion at Paint It Black (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). As such, I've reverted the bold move for now. –xenotalk 17:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure I completely follow your rationale here. You don't disagree, yet you revert because you feel process hasn't been followed? If I had read the above poll I would have closed it as move because not only are there four supports to three opposes, but also because there have been previous attempts to put this article right, and the WP:COMMONNAME policy directs us not to have a discussion first but to look at reliable sources, and the reliable sources - as I have shown above (including the Rolling Stones own website) - plus common usage (as I have shown above), plus all the sources used in the article, all indicate "Paint It Black". The move was compliant with Wikipedia:Move and WP:COMMONNAME. It is only when there is some doubt about which name to use, do we need to have a discussion. When most reliable sources, including the writer of the song, and most readers use one version, we go with that version. I'd welcome you doing some research of your own into the title, and if your findings are different to mine that would be the time to have a discussion. If you find that your findings match mine, then I would hope you'd do the right thing and move it back to "Paint It Black". SilkTork *YES! 18:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Just playing devils advocate, but COMMONNAME is only part of the article naming policy, it's not the cardinal rule.
In my opinion, another RM is required here, so I won't move it myself as you suggest.
I still think the above shouldn't be simply unilaterally overturned; however, I won't consider it wheel-warring if you re-implement your bold move (but I advise you against it). However, on a strictly procedural note, you'll need to move the redirect with non-trivial history and talk page content currently living at "Paint It Black" somewhere first (perhaps "Paint It Black (Rolling Stones song)"). –xenotalk 18:39, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced lists

Latest comment: 13 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Embedded lists and trivia are discouraged per Wikipedia:Embedded lists and Wikipedia:Handling trivia. Unsourced material is discouraged per Wikipedia:Verifiability. The list is moved here as it may be used by editors to refer to as the basis for constructing a sourced prose section. SilkTork *YES! 16:08, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Other versions

"Paint It Black" has been covered by many other bands and music artists, including:

In recent years, the song was used in the ending credits of Full Metal Jacket and the opening credits of Tour of Duty. It was also used in 2004 in an episode-ending montage in the NBC television show American Dreams, when a major character went missing in Vietnam. In the BBC Top Gear Vietnam special, aired in December 2008 the song is played briefly after an American decorated motorbike is unveiled as a threat to the presenters.

Its other film appearances include For Love of the Game and 1997's The Devil's Advocate, played during the closing credits. The pilot of Nip/Tuck TV show also uses the Rolling Stones' version of the song. The song, as covered by Gob, was also featured in the film Stir of Echoes. The Gob cover also plays over the end credits of the 2004 mini-series of Salem's Lot. A French version of the song, recorded by Marie Laforêt, appears in both The Devil's Advocate and the 2006 film Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby, and an alternative version appears on commercials for The Sopranos on A&E.

"Paint It Black" was also used in six video game titles. Conflict: Vietnam used the song during the opening sequence, while Twisted Metal: Black used the beginning of the song in the opening screen, then the whole song again in its end credits, and inserted into level music throughout moments of gameplay. A version of the karaoke game SingStar also features "Paint It Black". The song is also featured in Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock as a playable track, with an extended ending to avoid fading out like the original did (the game makes use of the master track). However, it is unable to be played in Co-op mode, as the bass and guitar tracks could not be separated (this can be heard in single-player mode also; when one makes a mistake, both the guitar and bass cut out). It is also heard playing on some static radios in the Eve of Destruction total conversion for Battlefield 1942, Battlefield: Vietnam and Battlefield 2. In addition, it was used in the television commercial for Vietcong: Purple Haze. Karaoke Revolution Presents: American Idol Encore 2 allows players to sing it and unlock a video of it being performed on American Idol.

Isaac Brock's indie side project Ugly Casanova has referred to the song in "Barnacles".

American Idol Top 6 covered a short version of this for the Ford music video.

At 0:48 in the song "At This Hour" on the Spin Doctors' Turn It Upside Down album, they sing "You see a red door and you want to paint it black", a reference to this song.

The 1972 song "Thirteen" on the Big Star album #1 Record contains the lyrics "Won't you tell your dad to get off my back/Tell him what we said about 'Paint It Black.' "

Prior to being banned from The Howard Stern Show, Crazy Cabbie was often introduced to his own theme song, a variation of "Paint It Black", although with lyrics mocking Cabbie.

In the Stephen King series The Dark Tower, "Paint It Black" is heard by several characters as they pass the same music shop in New York at different time periods.

The Kaiser Chiefs' song "Heat Dies Down" is loosely based on the guitar riff of "Paint It Black".

In Good Charlotte's song "All Black", from their fourth album Good Morning Revival, the line "...like the Rolling Stones wanna paint it black" refers to the song.

In "The Jeep Song" by The Dresden Dolls, Track 10 on their 2003 self titled debut album, Amanda Palmer sings "I see a red jeep and I want to paint it black" in reference to the "Paint It Black" line "I see a red door and I want to paint it black".

The second chapter in Alan Moore's The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Volume III: Century is set in 1966 and titled "Paint it Black".

The song "Welcome to the Black Parade" by My Chemical Romance makes reference to it in the line "... so paint it black and take it back..."

Japanese pop star Hikaru Utada revamps the first line at the end of "Amai Wana: Paint It, Black".

Janet Fitch's 2006 novel Paint It Black is named after the song; also, the quote before the first chapter is the first four lines of the Rolling Stones song.[1]

The music website Last.FM has two skins, Simply Red and Paint It Black.

The Lee Mead version of "Paint It Black" was used by Vincent Simone & Louisa Lytton due to represent the United Kingdom at the 2008 Eurovision Dance Contest[2].

The web comic Order of the Stick, strip #635[3], is entitled, "I See a Red Robe and I Want to Paint it Black", clearly in reference to this song.

In “The Christmas Show” episode of Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip, Studio 60 co-executive producer Matt Albie (Matthew Perry) is complimenting Studio 60 cast member Harriet Hayes (Sarah Paulson) on being cast as Anita Pallenberg in a new movie about the Rolling Stones. He says “…you’re great casting for that…It’s a great part. Brian, Keith, Mick Jagger – they all considered her a musical confidante. ‘Paint It Black’ was all her.”

The song was once used in a promotional campaign for the All Blacks by one of their corporate sponsors, Steinlager beer, in the late 1990s.

The song was used as the entrance song for Johny Hendricks at UFC 101.

The third book in the Sonja Blue series (Midnight Blue: The Sonja Blue Collection), by Nancy A. Collins, is titled Paint It Black.

Siobahn Magnus and Gina Gloksen sang this song on American Idol. Each performance was one of the best for the singers.

I am not positive, but I am 99% certain that this song was used in the TV series "China Beach". Anyone else remember this, or have references to it? Zargon2010 (talk) 12:10, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Books by Janet Fitch". Literati.net. Retrieved 2010-03-17.
  2. ^ "Vincent Simone & Louisa Lytton - Paint It Black - United Kingdom 2008 | Eurovision Dance Contest - Glasgow 2008". Eurovisiondance.tv. Retrieved 2010-03-17.
  3. ^ "Giant In the Playground Games". Giantitp.com. Retrieved 2010-03-17.

Paint it black written by the Rolling Stones!

Latest comment: 13 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

This was written by the Rolling Stones. Mick Jagger and Keith Richards have openly discussed it. According to the introduction James Taylor disputes it. Well James Taylor never wrote a song called 'paint it black'. He wrote a song called rainy day man, in late 1966, (not released until 1971), after Paint it Black had been released. I would correct this article, as connecting James Taylor to the song, is bordering on fantasy. Wikipedia should be more focused on facts than fiction! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.100.211.196 (talk) 09:30, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Must be another cover

Latest comment: 13 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The Deep Six version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toeXM4lywDQ&feature=related) must be a cover, I consider. Does anybody know it for sure? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.189.105.199 (talk) 22:03, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Eh?

Latest comment: 12 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

"More literally, it is about using the visual trick of painting everything black in the mind's eye." Anyone care to hazard a guess what this sentence might mean? CulturalSnow (talk) 12:56, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 2

Latest comment: 11 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion
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The result of the proposal was move per request.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:54, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Paint It, Black → Paint It Black – Per WP:COMMANAME WP:COMMONNAME. It has already been demonstrated on this talk page, especially by SilkTork, that the form without the comma is more common among reliable sources; to those already listed above, we can add The Atlantic, the official Stones archive, and AllMusic. And while the comma may have been deliberate, it's still an error. It's quite clear from the lyrics that the title is not an exhortation to a person or thing named Black to "paint it," but about the idea of painting things black. BDD (talk) 20:22, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

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Key and Guitar style

Latest comment: 10 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Many years ago, I was in a music store, flipping through a Rolling Stones transcription book (staff music and tablature). According to this book, the song is in F minor, and is played on the acoustic with a capo on the third fret, playing as if the song were in D minor (which is much easier, from a guitarist's perspective, than F minor). I satisfied myself that this was correct when the intro, with its rapid little runs (D-E-F-G, F-E-D-E) proved much easier to play than in standard tuning, particularly the high G string that was once an E. Moreover, no guitarist with a brain in his head will play in a "guitar-unfriendly" key like F minor, when a capo (or a retuning) will make it easier, and allow for ringing open strings here and there. So, I believe it, but the only source I actually have a copy of, the Hot Rocks 1964-1971 "Piano/Vocal/Chords" book, only confirms that the song is in F minor, and doesn't mention the capo at all. And the book in general is a piece of shit full of errors, though "Paint It Black" seems to have escaped such a fate. Can any of this go in the article? I'm not going to waste the effort of an edit AND a reference just to establish the song's key. If I can add the bit about the capo, however, I'd be happy to, because it's so very, obviously true. I have a feeling this would be considered Original Research. --Ben Culture (talk) 23:20, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Music video

Latest comment: 7 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

How come there is no mention of the Rolling Stones Music Video to this song? Mobile mundo (talk) 16:13, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Release date

Latest comment: 4 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

"Paint It Black" was already on the WLS playlist during the last week of April 1966,[1] meaning the release date cannot be in May 1966.98.149.97.245 (talk) 05:50, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Silver Dollar Survey". WLS. 1966-05-14. Retrieved 2020-06-19.
The album was out in April, so the song was already familiar.
Your source is dated May 13 which does not conflict with a May release date. Binksternet (talk) 06:45, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Funeral?

Latest comment: 3 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

The lyrics: "I see a line of cars and they're all painted black, With flowers and my love both never to come back" suggest a funeral cortege. A hearse and a line of black cars and flowers and his dead love, never to come back. That might explain all the blackness and his having to turn his head when he sees other young women dressed in summer clothes. Acorrector (talk) 13:01, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

@Acorrector: Sources do support this. I have implemented a generalized mention of this. --TheSandDoctor Talk 04:11, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

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Passed.

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Love this song, so I thought it would be an absolute honour to take it on for review! --K. Peake 18:56, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! I look forward to your review.   --TheSandDoctor Talk 20:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
TheSandDoctor To elaborate, the review will start later today. --K. Peake 06:42, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
@Kyle Peake: All good! Take your time  . --TheSandDoctor Talk 14:09, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
TheSandDoctor Thank you, I have completed the review and I do find it confusing working with book sources on Wiki during reviews; could you give me some advice please? --K. Peake 16:55, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Unfortunately with books, you mostly have to AGF unless you happen to have the book in your possession. I am a massive stones fan who happens to have several, which puts me at an advantage for working on these articles. My latest acquisition was a 704 page behemoth detailing (as in having full minibios, listing credits etc) every track the band has produced up to (and including) A Bigger Bang. While I did get it for basically this article, it is definitely going to come in handy for working on others in the future.   --TheSandDoctor Talk 05:03, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

Background

Composition and recording

  • Even though this is a separate section from music and lyrics, I recommend that you reorganize the content of these two into a writing and recording section to begin, followed by the music and lyrics one since it the content is jumbled at the moment and composition is the same as music, plus writing and recording info should come before them
  • I can't fully access the sources, so I will assume good faith mostly, but are you sure everything here is backed up by them?
    From everything I can access, yes. I don't have Wyman's book or the book called "Keith Richards". --TheSandDoctor Talk 05:05, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Music and lyrics

Release

Critical reception and legacy

Commercial performance

Cover versions and usage in media

Track listings

  • All songs are written by → All songs written by
Done. --TheSandDoctor Talk 03:04, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Credits

  • Retitle to Credits and personnel
    That was the original title, but based off of Shake It Off (FAC) I had changed it to "Credits". Based off of Blank Space (FA) I switched it back. --TheSandDoctor Talk 03:08, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Are you sure the wikilinks/target are needed for sitar, Hammond organ and producer?
    A sitar is indeed an unusual instrument that would probably need it, likewise with the specific organ type. Until now, I did not know of a hammond organ. Producer is wikilinked in Shake It Off#Credits, which is why I wikilinked here. I am aiming to replicate FAs and soon-to-be FAs structure wise as a guide for how to bring this up to that standard. --TheSandDoctor Talk 03:08, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Charts and certifications

Weekly charts

  • No further comments

Year-end charts

Certifications

References

  • Good

Final comments and verdict

  •   On hold until all of the issues are fixed, which shouldn't be too long based off your recent response rate and I hope to get this great song to GA status! --K. Peake 16:55, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
    I've run out of time tonight and shall have to pick this up tomorrow. Thank you for picking up this review. Though we may disagree one some points, don't for a moment think that this review isn't highly appreciated. I look forward to continuing this review and discussion over the coming few days  . --TheSandDoctor Talk 04:58, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
    TheSandDoctor That is totally understandable since this article is massive, but I have left replies above for you! --K. Peake 08:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
    @Kyle Peake: Are we at an agreement to leave "the Stones" alone where it remains? Just want to clarify and ask as a single Q rather than in multiple spots. If so, could you strike the remaining ones mentioned above? --TheSandDoctor Talk 15:25, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
    @TheSandDoctor: Yes, I did express agreement above by saying "it would be tedious to write the full name all of the time", though I apologise if that was unspecific due to only being under one point. I will strike them off now to avoid confusion, apart from any ones where you have implemented the change or my comments need to stay up for some reason. --K. Peake 16:11, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
    Thank you for clarifying, Kyle Peake. I have tackled Commercial performance and added some comments. --TheSandDoctor Talk 05:56, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Kyle Peake What else needs fixing? (I've barely looked through this) – zmbro (talk) 21:51, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
@Zmbro: The last point in "Critical reception and legacy", which details some more sources and information that can be added still is something that needs going through. Otherwise mostly odds and ends above (the unanswered bullets). @Kyle Peake: I think we are almost wrapped up here. Mostly just down to the references section, which has become convoluted as the article has undergone changes and refs moved/replaced since the review was posted. --TheSandDoctor Talk 05:32, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
I think we are pretty well done, Kyle Peake. Thank you for linking the diff. Feel free to take a look and let me know if you spot anything else. --TheSandDoctor Talk 18:57, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
TheSandDoctor I could tell I'd made the right catch with the link to the diff, but you still need to target London to London Recordings in the infobox and fix the lead's commercial performance sentence that says "Paint It Black" at the start instead of the song, plus retitle the second section to writing and recording. --K. Peake 19:14, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
@Kyle Peake: Done. --TheSandDoctor Talk 19:21, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I don't think it's too far off and I would be really happy to see the song become a FA, not only because I'm the one who was responsible for the GA review to help it along the path but also since it is one of my favourite Stones tracks! --K. Peake 07:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
@Kyle Peake: Sorry, I meant if you would like to help get it to FA quality or point out areas you think need improvement. Based on prior experience, I am hesitant to just jump directly to FAC from GA unless others think it is ready haha. —TheSandDoctor Talk 14:47, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
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The result was: promoted by Joofjoof (talk) 10:42, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

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  • Comment I am preferential to ALT1 downward.

Improved to Good Article status by TheSandDoctor (talk). Self-nominated at 20:21, 24 January 2021 (UTC).

  Article promoted to GA on 17 January, long enough, sourced, neutral and plagiarism free. Hooks referenced and interesting. The image used in the article is fair use. QPQ done. Corachow (talk) 23:01, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
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