Talk:Patriarchate of Karlovci

Poorly written

This article is poorly written, without the relevant sources. Serbian books and encyclopedias articles know nothing about so called "Patriarchate of Karlovci". Instead, every relevant book refers to Karlovci as Metropolitanate, rather than as Patriarchate. For example, the first chapter of The History of the Serbian Orthodox Church (vol. II) by Đoko Slijepčević is titled as "The Serbian Orthodox Church in the form of the Metropolitanate of Karlovci" (Srpska pravoslavna crkva u Karlovačkoj mitropoliji). The Lexicon of Serbian Orthodox Church by Radoslav Grujić also contains an article which is titled as Metropolitanate of Karlovci. So I think this should be merged with Metropolitanate of Karlovci.--Владимир Нимчевић (talk) 14:19, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

• I've fixed some issues you were referring to. The existence of the Patriarchate is not questionable. There are numerous historical sources describing its establishment and existence. Please, read the fixes and respond with comments.--Milos zankov (talk) 16:09, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Proposed merge

See here. -- Director (talk) 14:51, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

• Please, do not further vandalize this article--65.220.39.77 (talk) 15:23, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

You are the one vandalizing it, as far as I can see. Kindly refrain from restoring non-consensus edits against opposition, and discuss on the talkpage. You do not own this article. -- Director (talk) 18:02, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

User Director

I do not see any valid scholar sources you ever used to support any of your tags: POV or Merge. Both articles are completely rewritten. Without seeing any credible sources supporting your opinions from your side it's not possible to lead any rational discussion.--Milos zankov (talk) 18:00, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

WP:OR

Recent edits by user Axxxion are not according to sources, according to Britannica that they self posted it is written that : In the Balkans changes were even more significant. The five groups of Serbian dioceses (Montenegro, the patriarchate of Karlovci, Dalmatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, and Serbia) were united (1920–22) under one Serbian patriarch, residing in Belgrade, the capital of the new Yugoslavia. [[1]] The same editing was presented by them with ignoring what other books are saying i.e Paul Robert Magocsi: Historical Atlas of Central Europe, University of Toronto Press, 2002 "Then, in 1766, when the Ottomans abolished Pec, the Karlovci province became an independent body, eventually with six suffragan bishops (Novi Sad, Timișoara, Vrsac, Buda, Pakrac, and Karlovac), known as the Serbian Orthodox Slav Oriental Church, which after 1848 was raised to the status of a patriarchate." [[2]] I believe that it is not necessary to remind fellow editors that wikipedian should present what it is written in sources not what they think it is right. --Theonewithreason 18:00, 05 September 2015 (UTC)

Use of "Serbian" in the first sentence

The Patriarchate of Karlovci was not Serbian in the official name, it was neither called Serbian by it's hierarchical superior. I believe giving it a national accent is a misconstruction very much a posteriori and therefore anachronistic (not in spirit with how the structures of the Patriarchate nor it's believers in general thought during the time of its existence). This seems to be a product of the controversial policies in the region during the 1920s, aka post-factum after the patriarchate was more or less forced to unite in the newly formed Serbian Orthodox church (which acquired officially this nationaly coloured name only in 1920). However it is, the Patriarchate discussed here responded directly to Constantinople, not to Belgrade or Peč, albeit often the priests did their studies in the monasteries of the Belgrade patriarchate, due to the common language. Also, the Patriarchate of Karlovci was covering many non-Serb believers outside Vojvodina, among them a very large number of Orthodox Vlachs, Albanians, Aromenians, Cincari. For better clarity and to avoid nationalist abuses, I suggest this part be clarified better in the main article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marintu (talk • contribs) 14:02, 6 September 2024 (UTC)