Talk:Peiter Zatko

Dangerous?

It's not like he made any physical damage. Futhermore, why is the notes not made with <ref> and </ref> and <references /> tags? Or inline sources for that matter. --Ysangkok 18:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

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I didn't want to place the {{refstyle}} tag on the main article because although it uses the old {{fn}} style of referencing it's still clear and consistent. -- OlEnglish ^(Talk) 01:25, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

external reference #9 does not work

Hi all, the external reference #9 (http://archives.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/02/15/hacker.security/) does not work (cnn.com reports the is no such page). -- WikiReviewer.de (talk) 10:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

 Fixed-see Archive index at the Wayback Machine -- œ^™ 22:48, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

On "How to write Buffer Overflows"

I just read this "paper" (which this article calls pioneering) and found it rather unremarkable. Is it true that these techniques were not known in '95? I tend to doubt it. Maybe unknown to the general public, and even unknown to most programmers, but I'm sure a particular niche of programmer was well aware of it and could have written a much better treatment of the subject. What mudge himself writes seems to show a general lack of understanding; for instance he calls x86 instructions "commands", and to find the machine code he instructs the reader to write C code with asm() statements, use GCC and look at the binary, when using a simple assembler would do. 174.31.231.72 (talk) 17:58, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

The paper is simplistic by modern standards. But, at the time there were no other papers available on the topic. Hard to believe, but true. This was one of the earliest public papers on the subject. Buffer overflows had only just been demonstrated by groups such as 8lgm but details about how they worked was being held a close secret. Jeff Moss acknowledged at BlackHat 2011 that Aleph1's Phrack paper (smashing the stack for fun and profit) was written after he (Elias aka Aleph1) had requested and received an early copy of the Mudge paper. So Mudge's paper qualifies as pioneering. x86 instructions being referred to as "commands" is non-standard, but acceptable when referencing opcodes and operands. Dr. T.C. Pip (talk) 20:09, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll add one thing: If you look at the number of buffer overflows in the wild, you'll see a huge spike after the publication of Aleph1's paper, which never went away. Before that paper, buffer overflows were rare; afterwards, common. So, yes, historically speaking, the paper was 100% pioneering. It's a tribute to its success that it's now considered common knowledge.Int80 (talk) 02:57, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Neutrality?

Is the neutrality tag a remnant of a previous discussion? Can it be removed? DouglasCalvert (talk) 14:39, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2018

The latest change 5 days ago added that Julian Assange was also a member of L0pht along with Peiter Zaiko. No references are provided to support this claim and I didn't find any either in the Internet. Either that claim should be removed and the article reverted to the previous version or a reference should be provided. ChusoPR (talk) 09:20, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done, I've reverted that edit. Feel free to reinstate if a source can be provided. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 13:15, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Edit request: Page does not include his time at Stripe

https://www.vox.com/2017/5/8/15557846/stripe-peiter-mudge-zatko-jon-kaltwasser-security-hire — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.25.110.208 (talk) 18:52, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 23 August 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus against the proposed move. (closed by non-admin page mover) feminist (talk) 04:03, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

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Peiter Zatko → Mudge (hacker) – Mudge seems to be his WP:COMMONNAME. Use a disambiguation because there are multiple people named like that. PhotographyEdits (talk) 17:04, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

He is already listed on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudge I'd support a redirection page, but the term "Hacker" is quite loaded, and does not seem to represent his current contribution to Computer Security. No from me on changing the title based seemingly only on current news. Wigbold (talk) 10:52, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@Wigbold I think he calls himself a hacker, and that term is already listed in the first sentence. We should not care about how 'loaded' a term is, but only accuracy. PhotographyEdits (talk) 10:42, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

I think the article is best titled by his real name, do not support the proposed move. He uses that real name, his wife took his last name of Zatko. Mentioning the name Mudge in the lead and again in the article suffices. I do not think it is in the article proper now, as Biography jumps from his birth date to graduation from Berklee music college in one sentence. Adding a sentence or two as to when he took on his nickname would be good, informative, especially if there is a source. One of the current Time Magazine articles??? He is listed at the disambiguation page for Mudge under See also section, which in turn links to this article. Prairieplant (talk) 20:45, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

@Prairieplant "He uses that real name", does he, though? On his Twitter, he calls himself Mudge with the username @dotMuge. PhotographyEdits (talk) 18:19, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

PhotographyEditsTwitter is not the only place a name is used. His wife is not Mrs Mudge, hinting that he used his real name when he got married. Nicknames and user names may gain popularity, but they are not legal names, baptismal names, name on a tax filing, name on a marriage license, possibly not the name on his paychecks or bank accounts. Twitter is one online social medium. Not the whole world. The article uses the name Mudge too often in my view, especially as there is no explanation in the article about when & why he began using that nickname. - - Prairieplant (talk) 21:12, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose "hacker", for the reasons above and because it's inaccurate and often misused, even if it is a self-description (which is itself problematic, because we don't let subjects title themselves). No opinion on Mudge. ASUKITE 17:34, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose' some sources like this Bloomberg article refer to him by his real name, so I don't think Mudge is his most common name anymore. IntrepidContributor (talk) 23:38, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

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Missing word Twitter form sentence ?

This sentence appears to be missing the name of the company (Twitter) at the end

“ In 2020, he was hired as head of security at .”

Viewing on iPhone / search from inside Washington post in case that’s just a rendering problem. 162.217.73.165 (talk) 19:21, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 September 2022

"Sarah Zatko said “Dishonesty is definitely something that frustrates him,” says his wife Sarah, ..."

is awkward (repetition of "said"/"says"). I'd recommend to change the paragraph to

"On 11 August 2007 he married Sarah Lieberman, a co-worker at BBN and a former mathematician at the National Security Agency. Remarking about her husband’s time at Twitter in an article in Time Magazine, Sarah Zatko said: “Dishonesty is definitely something that frustrates him”[35]"— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jschauma (talk • contribs)

 Partly done: I made a mostly-similar clean up of the language in [1]. Ductwork (talk) 01:07, 2 September 2022 (UTC)