Talk:Pen15

Slang reference

StrangeApparition2011 continues to add the following to the Premise section: The name PEN15 is an obvious slang spelling of penis, but it it also tied to a prank that's common among grade school students. One would ask if a victim if they wanted to join the "PEN 15" club. If they said yes, the "initiator" would write the word "PEN15" on their hand. I don't feel like getting into an edit war about this, but that does not belong in the premise section for multiple reasons. I explained this in the edit summary of my previous revert -- that this violates WP:NPOV, and doesn't have anything to do with the premise of the show. The editor did include a source ([1]), but I'd like to be clear: I'm not objecting that the title is yes indeed a reference to the grade-school prank; that much is obvious. I'm saying that as written, it doesn't belong, especially in the premise section. When this previously came up, I tried to compromise by adding this to the lead: The series name comes from a popular teenage prank, using the source the editor provided. Anyway, I plan to remove this from the premise section unless others feel differently. – Broccoli & Coffee ^{(Oh hai)} 07:09, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

I don't understand how it's "POV", when it's included in the article that explains how they came up with the name. Should we include "According to the creators, the name comes from a grade school prank". Would that satisfy whatever reason you think it's not relevant?

References for where popular works get their names are ALL OVER Wikipedia, in their respective articles. I don't understand why this is your hill to die on. A reference to where a TV show got it's name is absolutely relevant to the article. Hell, go look at the British TV show Till Death Us Do Part. Or are you going to delete that, too? StrangeApparition2011 (talk) 07:39, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Like in Till Death Us Do Part, I included an explanation of the title in the lead, with the citation you provided. Like in Till Death Us Do Part, that explanation of the title should not be in any description of the show's plot or premise. I'm trying to make this clear; the show title PEN15 is CLEARLY a reference to that prank. That's obvious. We agree. BUT, the show itself NEVER references that game, or even uses the phrase "pen15" in any of its episodes. Therefore, it doesn't belong in the premise. (And, for what it's worth, "according to the creators, the name comes from..." wouldn't be appropriate unless there is some quote where they actually say that, which doesn't appear in the W Mag source you provided.) – Broccoli & Coffee ^{(Oh hai)} 17:06, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

BUT, the show itself NEVER references that game, or even uses the phrase "pen15" in any of its episodes. That doesn't matter. A lot of things don't directly mention the things that they're clearly referencing. Unless you have some OTHER meaning for PEN15 that I don't know about.StrangeApparition2011 (talk)

Sigh. I'm not sure how you can argue that something not in the show is relevant for a section that's supposed to summarize the show's plot. I'd suggest reading MOS:TVPLOT, MOS:PLOT, and other TV series articles. There is already mention of the PEN15 game in the article, so it's not needed in this section. I'm removing it. Please discuss further here before restoring. – Broccoli & Coffee ^{(Oh hai)} 19:13, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Admitting that the title of the show is PENIS would raise concern among parents and be potentially harmful to the commercial access. You must understand that Wikipedia is not really an encyclopedia, but a disguised PR platform and will act accordingly. -- 2003:E5:1703:E2AC:151D:515:5C18:9E6E (talk) 07:01, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

It's not a question of "admitting" anything. The show is named "PEN15". Yes, it's almost certainly a reference to the game which includes an obvious, juvenile visual pun. Yes, somewhere someone briefly took a moment away from writing politely-but-firmly worded letters (in blue-black ink on minimum 10% rag content stationery) to the local school board protesting the end of civilization symbolized by Judy Blume novels being in the school library to clutch their pearls over the horrible depravity of a reference to the word "penis" (but not the show's talking vaginas, the kids' sexual experimentation, etc.

Why don't we explain this trivial detail? Well, as you've noted, one possibility is that Wikipedia is secretly owned by a cabal of every corporation in the world and carefully designed our inclusion criteria 20 years ago to allow us -- a self-selected corps of volunteers -- to hide the deep truths hidden in plain sight throughout the modern world. It was a lot of work, but it got you to type "PENIS", so it's all worth it.

Either that or Wikipedia reports what independent reliable sources say and no sources are pearl-clutchy enough to bother with this. But it's probably the multi-decade effort by the super-secret cabal. The cabal wins again. - SummerPhD^v2.0 22:14, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

No need to be prudish an independent source was given above https://www.wmagazine.com/story/pen15-maya-erskine-anna-konkle-culture-diet
and The Guardian (newspaper) is considered reliable too. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/feb/08/pen15-review-hulu-adolescence-comedy 194.207.86.26 (talk) 11:42, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Episode article

I have started an episode article for "Jacuzzi" in the draft space here. I have added a short plot description and longer details for the production information and critical reception. I believe that it's notable because it is the first animated episode of the series, and there are many interviews and articles about that, and it is a forty-minute special. SirLou (talk) 18:23, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 13 January 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – Hilst [talk] 14:57, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

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PEN15 → Pen15 – There's nothing to justify the title being in all caps. The title screen backs this up. Fuddle (talk) 14:05, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Comedy has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:52, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

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• Support per nom, WP:TITLETM, MOS:ALLCAPS, MOS:TM. Several sources do not use the all-caps styling (and neither does the show logo). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 04:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support: lower-case usage in sources and show logo/title screen. BBQboffin^{grill me} 22:16, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.