Talk:Petro Mukha

Revolt against Moldavian magnates

Haldir Marchwarden, the entry for Bukovina in the Internet Encyclopedia of Ukraine mentions the revolt was against Moldavian magnates as well, but the entry for the Mukha rebellion doesn't. We thus have two entries with the same weight and value that contradict each other. However, the rebellion is said to have had support from Stephen the Great and Moldavians from Bukovina. It doesn't make sense that they would do this if the rebellion was also against Moldavian nobles in Bukovina. Which one of the two entries which have the same importance and value do we chose then, the one that contradicts the rest of the article or the one that doesn't? Super Ψ Dro 18:02, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

If A says something and B fails to do so they don't "contradict" each other. I will now edit the Mukha's Rebellion article. I think you really should read both sources as well, and maybe research others if you have time, it would be helpful. The way I figure, Mukha rebels somewhere in Galicia (against Polish magnates); Bukovinians are hungry too, so they rebel as well against who is ruling them (Moldavian nobles in some parts; Polish magnates in others). Stephen would really like to defeat the Poles and seize their territory, so when this guy manages to build up a reasonably dangerous army, he gives him his benediction (to fight the Poles). Then they march to Lviv, etc.--Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 18:29, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

I found sources but they are in Ukrainian and you said you aren't from Ukraine, so I've asked an Ukrainian user for help. Super Ψ Dro 19:50, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Had a quick look at my big histories first. Subtelny (2009), Ukraine: A History (4th ed.):91 says “a series of uprisings . . . enveloped Moldavia, Bukovyna, and Galicia.” According to Magocsi (2010), A History of Ukraine (2nd):140 “In Kievan times, the Orthodox boyars had been a potent political force in the former Galician Rus’ kingdom, but now several were forced to leave the area. They were replaced by Polish officials and gentry, who, together with the Roman Catholic Church, were awarded large tracts of land. Facing a continual decline in status, some Galician Rus’ leaders looked south for help from Orthodox Moldavia . . . Cooperation between the Galician Rus’ and Moldavia took the form of a popular revolt . . . in an unsuccessful attempt to overthrow Polish rule in southern Galicia.”

The Orthodox peasants allied with Orthodox Moldavians, and Mukha did escape to Moldavia between rebellions. If the mention of rebellion against Moldovans isn’t an error, then it is probably incidental. I wouldn’t mention it without confirmation, for now. Will look for more. —Michael Z. 20:58, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Allright, I agree. That was a nice job, thanks for your research; in fact, thank you both for your help with this article.--Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 21:43, 30 June 2021 (UTC)