Talk:Philadelphia (film)

References to use

Please add to the list references that can be used for the film article.

• Palmer, William J. (2009). "Spin Out: The Gay Nineties". The Films of the Nineties: The Decade of Spin. Palgrave Macmillan. pp. 132–142. ISBN 0230613446.

Story

Maybe I'm wrong, but wasn't this movie at least partially based on a true story? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.151.61.48 (talk • contribs)

Its based loosely on the Geoffrey Bowers case. Asarelah 02:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

It is also based more thanm loosely on the Joel Hyatt, Hyatt Legal Services V. Cain case from 1990. Hyatt Legal Services ran the largest such law firm in Philadelphia at that time. Why there is no reference to this and why the reference I entered was removed strikes me as suspicious.

Maria Callas

A recording by Maria Callas in the film. Which song? From which opera? Gerard53 (talk) 20:02, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

The IMDb soundtrack listing for the film includes the following arias performed by Callas: "La mamma morta" from Andrea Chénier by Giordano, "O nume tutelar" from La Vestale by Spontini, "Ebben? ne andrò lontana" from La Wally by Catalani, and "Ecco: respiro appena" from Adriana Lecouvreur by Cilea. Emoll (talk) 14:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

The one they actually talk about is the Chénier, although there are Callas recording playing in the background in various scenes.Hrcolyer (talk) 13:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 16:29, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Sound Track

On Neil Young's page (and perhaps Springstein as well) you link from that page to the Philadelphia page. But when I get to the Philadelphia page I find no reference to Neil Young. Turns out he did a song on the sound track.

199.169.200.4 (talk) 01:46, 31 August 2009 (UTC) Dick Stagnone dickstag@yahoo.com

Controversy

The first sentence of the section is "The film was the second Hollywood big-budget, big-star film to tackle the issue of AIDS in the U.S. (following the TV movie And the Band Played On) and signaled a shift in Hollywood films toward more realistic depictions of gays and lesbians.". Can we get a reliable source that analyzes the real impact? The portrayal of gays in the movie is definitely not realistic whatsoever. And what shift is the sentence talking about? Will & Grace? That's not realistic either. ♆ CUSH ♆ 09:57, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

I am literally as ignorant on this subject as one can be, so I ask with complete sincerity: What is "unrealistic" about the portrayal of homosexuals in this movie? 98.82.34.127 (talk) 20:35, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

You really have no gay friends, do you? 87.160.142.8 (talk) 19:02, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Haven't had any (of which I'm aware) for nearly 40 years. Back when I did (in college), most chose to remain closeted except to a few close friends (the world was very different back then). Anyway, I thought Tom Hanks and Antonio Banderas came through as nearly indistinguishable from a straight couple. Is that the problem? 98.82.34.127 (talk) 02:27, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it is. There is no gay interaction at all. And no real relationship is so pristine and full of pathos, gay or straight. They display a gay couple outside of any gay community. That's highly unrealistic as well. 87.160.138.54 (talk) 14:04, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, they were perfect. Not so much unrealistically gay, as unrealistic, period. Gay Brady Bunchers, sans children. I couldn't believe it when the defense attorney tries to get a rise out of them by bringing up how Hanks got HIV; no sign of any angst on Hanks' face, let alone Miguel's. But to your second point: certainly there are gay couples that do not actively participate in the "gay community", n'est-ce pas? 98.82.34.127 (talk) 04:00, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there are gay couples so completely seveerd from any community, especially if HIV is involved. Anyways, when I first watched the movie back in 93 I only thought WTF ? That's the most un-gay couple in the history of gay-themed movies. Best Actor in a Leading Role my foot. 87.160.142.211 (talk) 23:30, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

He was deliberately hiding his homosexuality. If he entertained people who could help his career in a well-known "gay neighborhood", someone would have caught on. It's plain wrong that he and Miguel had no connection to the wider "gay community", judging by the number of guests at their party. It's also wrong that there is no reaction from Miguel. There is. It's subtle, but it's there, and why is it unrealistic that they would have already dealt with it and moved on? This whole discussion is ridiculous and ignores scenes in the film which contradict the claims being made. TaintedMustard (talk) 11:29, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

no connection to the gay community? Quentin freakin' Crisp was at their party! Richardjames444 (talk) 02:07, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Demme actors

In this edit, another editor reverted, without explanation, my edit which was explained in my edit summary. Well, then I guess we'll have to discuss it here. Anyway, I removed the following sentence which was at the bottom of the "Cast" section:

-Note: Charles Napier, Paul Lazar, Ron Vawter and Tracey Walter all appeared in Jonathan Demme's 1991 film The Silence of the Lambs as well.

I'm sure who ever discovered this amazing piece of trivia considers it noteworthy of inclusion, but they need to watch a few more movies, I'd say. This is in fact such an incredibly common phenomenon--that is to say, groups of actors doing work with the same director--that it's simply not significant enough to include here, at least, not in this fashion. Directors as diverse as Woody Allen, Spike Lee, and Quentin Tarantino do this all the time. Shall we go to the articles for each of their many movies and place at the bottom of the "Cast" section the actors that "also starred in" their other films? We would be better off creating concordance articles that would stand on their own, so rife would be the phenomenon. I'm taking it out again, and I'd appreciate the courtesy of an explanation this time before restoring it. 98.82.34.127 (talk) 20:32, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

--Get a life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Hsxeric‎

My, what an intellectual retort. Anyway, I'm sorry if my tone set you off, but my tone was a response to your prior rudeness, in reverting me without the courtesy of an explanation (after I DID provide my reasoning). Hope we can get past this and work together in the future more amicably. Perhaps, if we live near each other, I can recommend someone to you who can treat your hyphenphilia. Take care! 98.82.34.127 (talk) 23:48, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

--You are correct. In everything you do. Perfect person. Congratulations. Now are you over it? -user:hsxeric

I am sorry to have frustrated you so. (If it would make you feel better, my partner would be more than willing to testify to my lack of perfection.) I will do my best to avoid crossing paths with you again, as it seems that we may be oil and water. I wish you all the best in your Wikiendeavours. 98.82.34.127 (talk) 04:42, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Clarence Cain

This article should mention Clarence Cain, who was also allegedly the inspiration for the film. [1] Raul654 (talk) 22:26, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Neil Young/Bruce Springsteen

Can someone explain why Bruce Springsteen's name keeps being changed to Neil Young? Young did not write or sing "Streets of Philadelphia," and he did not win an Academy Award for said song. Yet, the article has been changed multiple times in the last year. This really makes no sense to me. Does anyone have any insight on this? ---The Old Jacobite_{The '45} 14:33, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Placement of "Accolades" subsection?

Not about the content of the article or the section, just about the structure: Is there a reason that "Accolades" appears as a subsection under "Home media"? It seems that Accolades are much more closely tied to "Critical response" than to release on home media, so this seems like a structural error. (Yes, I need to go and look at how other similar articles are structured, but I haven't yet.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:602:8480:3343:81B8:13B7:6B65:258C (talk) 19:46, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I agree with you and made the fix. Thanks! Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 19:56, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Possibly incorrect soundtrack anecdote

There is a claim under Soundtrack that Springsteen's "Tunnel Of Love" was rejected in favor of "Streets of Philadelphia". No reference, and ToL came out as a single and album a good 6 years before Philadelphia. Without anything to back it up, I suggest that this is little more than a filthy joke and should be removed.

You are correct about this. In fact, the given source supposedly to back up this statement doesn't even mention the song, much less anything about it. However, I've tried to correct it twice and an unregistered user (79.244.63.118) has reverted it each time, so rather than get into a ridiculous edit war, this is something the admins will have to address using the privileges at their disposal.