Talk:Pir Roshan

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The content of the article more than 50% is not relevant to the person, the article is about. It is not properly sourced and the content mainly discusess about pashto language and not about the person. So, any person whomsoever if have any in-depth knowledge about the Language or about the person is welcomed to modify the article with proper sources. Thanks,Balasubramanianrajaram (talk) 12:24, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

This is not an intellectual article at all

It is racist, xenophobic, maligning, and not backed up by any research whatsoever. I would recommend the article be completely redone in order to make it fit the guidelines of WikiNess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.36.32.136 (talk) 09:49, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Let me say that by calling the article racist, maligning, xenophobiac, etc. you have expressed your own biase against the article. There may be some shortcomings in the article but it contains good information as well.

I will like to inform the author of the article that Pir-i-Roshan Byzid Baba not only wrote the first book in Pashto he also was the first personality to have suggested an alphabet and script for Pashto writing. Moreover, the movment he luanched made tremendous contribution to Pashto literature including such sufi poets as Daulat Khan Lohani, Mirza Khan Ansari, khwaishki etc. In fact, the first phase of Pashto poetry comprised almost exclusively of Roshniya poets (poets influenced by Roshnya Tahrik).FatehM

I think that this article is not based on authentic information about Bayazeed Ansari.I would refer to the book titled "Rokhan Storee"written by Siddiqullah Reshteen wherein he has given geneolocial tree of Bayazeed Ansari according to which he traces back to Abu aYUB aNSARI.Therefore it seems incorrect to claim he was Pakhtun by race.Amir Khan Yusafzai from Mardan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.153.8.59 (talk) 08:01, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Bayazeed Ansari wanted to misleed Pakhtuns by claiming that he was 'mehdi'and what he say or write was instructed to him by Allah. Yusafzai tribe comprehended his designs therefore the tribe under the leadeship of Hamza Khan attacked him and his followers.The Pir ran away alongwith his followers to Tarbela where they were overcomed and got killed.Bodies of Pir Rokhan and Sheikh Umar(son of the Pir)were burnt and the ashes were thrown into Abasin. Bayazeed was a cunning man.He used to preach something to the people but whenever caught by the government and asked about his heresy he said totally different in front of the official.I see no difference between him and Osama Bin Laden.Both are Arabs.Both have invited miseries for the Pakhtuns.Both have used Pakhtuns for their nefarious designs. Shamshad Malikpuri —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.153.8.59 (talk) 08:22, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

The name "Bayazid"itself negates the claim of those who term him a racial Pakhtun.This name has never been adopted by any Pakhtun because all Pakhtuns hate "Yazid"due to their great love and sypathy for Imam Husein who was brutally killed by Yazid."Bayazid means pro Yazid or companion of Yazid.Therefore great Khushal Khan has indirectly referred to the hersy of Bayazid in this verse'"Ze da Darweza ghunde wa deen khayem wa de ta---De da pir Rokhan ghunde da kufar kee talqeen". Moreover as regards his book "Khairul Byan" it was written for him by one his follower named mulla Arzani who was a Pakhtun and a poet.Those who are trying to make of him hero of Pakhtuns are doing it either by conspiracies or by their ignorance of factual situation.His views were similar to the views of present day communists therefore Afghan governments which were throught under the influence of USSR have tried their best through writings of communist writers to eugolise him and his movement and to call him as the real hero of Pakhtuns.If he had an iota of Pakhtun nationalism or had fought for the cause of Pakhtuns Great Khushal khan would have definitly praised him or would have at least mentioned of him as he has praised other Pakhtuns leaders.Therefore with the connivance of various Aghan governments he has artifiicially been erected as a flag bearer of the indepence movements of Pakhtuns from Mughals.Shamshad Malikpuri —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.71.220.238 (talk) 06:06, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

This article should be deleted. It is a typical Pakhtoon centric article. Based on fairy tales. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.241.73 (talk) 01:36, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Barak or Urmars have never been considered Pashtuns and do not figure in their geneaological tables. The name Bayazid also has non-pashtun ring to it especially during the period he lived in. This pir also has been referred to as a heretic, Ismaili and other epithets. i agree with the above comments and support for this article to be either deleted or re-written with historical accuracy and not POVS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moarrikh (talk • contribs) 12:40, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

So find some sources and start fixing! Rich Farmbrough, 11:20, 19 September 2011 (UTC).

You're all Xenophobic. This man was an Ormuri, not a Kurd, not a Tajik or any foreigner. His tribe the Barak were native to Northern Waziristan and part of the Pashtun confederation. Nothing about him is made by Pashtun nationalists, he wrote tons of thousands of poems in Pashto, expressed Afghan nationalism, created the first Pashto script and fought against the Mughals which led to his eventual death. I don't see why this article should be deleted, he existed and Afghans acknowledge him, even the city of Jalalabad is named after his son. Akmal94 (talk) 05:47, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Fake references

Hi, I am removing fake references given here-- 'Shaykh Bayazid Ansari' is cited herein as one reference , for example, but he was NOT the same person as Pir Bayazid Burki-Barakai . Bayazid Ansari was a descendant of Abu Ayub Ansari, who was a companion of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) , who is supposed to be buried near Istanbul, Turkey. Shaykh Bayazid came to preach Islam to Afghanistan and died and was buried at Herat. One famous descendant of his was Shaykh Khwaja Abdullah Ansari (died 1088) and some of his family members shifted to Chiniot and Lahore in Punjab, in then India; and one of the offspring of this branch was Hakim Ilm ed Din Ansari , better known as Wazir Khan who was a Mughal physician and court official and maker of the famous Wazir Khan Mosque in Old Lahore city. This family/branch still lives there in the Bhaati Gate area. I really do think someone sensible and with some factual/true historical knowledge should sit down and fix this messy article please, thanks. 39.54.127.18 (talk) 19:48, 26 July 2018 (UTC)Col (r) Malik, Pakistan