Talk:Plants vs. Zombies (video game)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Good article on game's music.

[1] for a future development section. --MASEM (t) 16:09, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Why does Laura Shigihara redirect to this page? Excusesofpuppets. 03/02/2011 (3rd Feb). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.96.84.33 (talk) 19:49, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Because her work on music is most notable in this game. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 20:57, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

No longer. It is now an separate article. ColderPalace1925 (talk) 10:28, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Platforms

I made a minor update to the article. At the beginning where it is stated what platforms the game is available for, iPhone OS and iPod touch were listed as separate platforms. This is unnecessary because iPod touch runs iPhone OS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.110.1.116 (talk) 04:21, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Gameplay

The gameplay featured in plants vs zombies is a example of a tower defence game. In the game you are required to keep a swarming wave of zombies from attacking your house and eating your brain by planting various types of plants ( hence the title " plants vs zombies ") that have specific abilitys to stop the zombies from invading yout house. Examples of these plants are Sunflower, Peashooter, Doom-shroom, Wall-nut, Kernel-pult, Hypno-shroom and Cob Cannon.

Review score section

@ New Age Retro Hippie

I don't know what your problem is, but your reasoning makes no sense of course. No sources? What are the websites mentioned?

And what's your fit with this game? Why are you not complaining about it at Halo_3#Reception, Metroid_Prime#Reception, The_Sims_3#Reception, Killzone_2#Reception, Black_(video_game)#Reception_.26_awards, Peggle#Reception etc. etc. etc. (you get the point).

This is a generally used template on Wikipedia, so it has just as much reason to be here as on any other webpage. If you have a fit with the template, take it up somewhere on Wikipedia, don't attack this page specifically.

~cheers GameLegend (talk) 13:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

"It's used here" is never an argument to use something everywhere. It serves no purpose other than to regurgitate information that does little to help readers understand the subject. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 15:45, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

B-class Assessment

1) The article is suitably referenced, with inline citations where necessary.

• CMostly Pass, although the gameplay section could use an additional citation or two using ref-names to make the referencing totally clear.

2) The article reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies.

• YPass.

3) The article has a defined structure.

• NFail, the lead section requires expansion.

4) The article is reasonably well-written.

• YPass, although in order to gain higher ratings than B-class, the large blocks of content under Gameplay and Development will need breaking up into sub-parts if possible.

5) The article contains supporting materials where appropriate.

• YPass.

6) The article presents its content in an appropriately accessible way.

• CMostly Pass, a few terms such as hardcore gamer could be confusing to non-gamer readers. The development section specifically would benefit from a slight re-write with non-gamers in mind.

Hope this assessment helps, feel free to poke me on my talk page with comments and questions. --Taelus (talk) 10:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Article structure

I rearranged a bit the article structure, mainly defining subsections and moving sections into "Development"... take a look at the revision :)
(I didn't touch the lead section since I had no time to add new content, but it may be expanded a little as suggested in the preceding assessment) --WikiKiwi (talk) 02:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

“HD” Moniker

When I first heard of the iPad having better, HD graphics, I looked around to see what it looked like. However, to me, the iPad version looks like the PC (and presumably Mac) version, so I am guessing that by “HD”, they just mean it is better than the iPhone version, not the PC version. Is this correct? It would be nice if there was a specific reference/comparison to make the HD label clear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Synetech (talk • contribs) 05:08, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

When the iPad came out, since the store is shared between all iOS devices, app developer started to label iPad-versions of their apps "xxx HD" to differentiate them from the iPhone version... it's kind of a "platform specific" labeling and it's not related to particularly High Definition content, but rather to the fact that the iPad screen is bigger than the iPhone's (and that's not not specific to PopCap, but it's a common terminology in the App Store ;) --WikiKiwi ^(askme) 06:07, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Changing Importance to mid

The importance criteria guide includes commercial success and recognition in culture. It lists Ratchet & Clank as an example. R&C top Facebook group has 10K members. P&Z Facebook group has 900K... mid importance is justified. • Maurog • 13:56, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

We need to let the VG project reassess the importance; that's not something that any editor can immediately do. --MASEM (t) 14:02, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh, by all means start the process running then :) You might want to add this information to the Importance Scale Help page as well, so that other people know the correct protocol. • Maurog • 05:53, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

External links, PvZ Wiki

About this revision: it's a noob question, but why the PvZ Wiki link got removed? Which rule is it breaking? --WikiKiwi ^(askme) 22:55, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

See WP:ELNO specifically between points 11 and 12. As best as I can tell, the PvZ wikia page has no special authority on the topic (compared to Memory Alpha or Wookiepedia, the typical examples used for this concept), so we should not include it. --MASEM (t) 13:49, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thanks a lot for the info! In this very specific case btw I would like to point out pt.12 of the WP:ELNO, which reads "...except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors". While the PvZ Wiki may not be the largest community on the Internet (as the game isn't indeed), it's a very comprehensive guide, very detailed and well-written, almost anything about the game can be find in it. I'm really not going crazy for this, but in my opinion it may have the required quality level to be linked in the article (much more than many Official websites out there :P). --WikiKiwi ^(askme) 14:56, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Generally "substantial history" implies several years and numerous editors contributing. PVZ Wiki seems to be a year + change old, and appears to have a dozen editors at most (strictly going off a spt-check). That's really not substantial for purposes of that EL line. --MASEM (t) 15:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

PvZ in WoW: Cataclysm

PvZ was adapted into World of Warcraft's new expansion, Cataclysm, as "Peacebloom vs Ghouls". A non-combat pet earned from an achievement on the mini-game is the Singing Sunflower, voiced by Laura Shigihara, the singer on the PvZ video. Source: http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/09/20/singing-sunflower-companion-pet-voiced-by-laura-shigihara/ Source: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/1979-Tier-11-Mini-Preview-Ghouls-vs-Peacebloom-Blue-PostsSolitha (talk) 05:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Already in the article. --MASEM (t) 05:55, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Its not in the article that Laura Shigihara sings the voice. In fact she needs an article on her own. --IceHunter (talk) 21:13, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

It's stated she recorded new music for WOW, so this would include her own voice as she did with PvZ. --MASEM (t) 21:19, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

iPhone game of the year

Apple featured PvsZ as iPhone Game of the Year 2010, could someone add the info? I'm quite in a rush :)
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/12/09/itunes-rewind-highlights-the-best-of-2010/ --WikiKiwi ^(askme) 17:02, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Plants vs. Zombies Original Soundtrack

I would like to point out that there is a soundtrack for PvZ. Shigihara's Wordpress blog post Bandcamp link General AUS (talk) 08:24, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Awards

It was nominated for Best PC Game by the Spike Video Game Awards. This is pretty important, i think. --91.96.14.174 (talk) 06:42, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Lua?

This game is listed under the category of "Lua-scripted video games". What does Lua have to do with this game? --Karjam (talk) 09:46, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I, therefore, decided to attempt to remove it from the category. If there's anything wrong with this, or I've made a mistake (I'm a beginner), please tell me. Karjam (talk) 13:53, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Going for GA

I love the game, and aim to make Plants vs. Zombies a GA. You guys have do excellent work, and I would like to include you as co-nominators in GA review. --Philcha (talk) 12:48, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

I see 2 issues to fix for a start:

• Replace {{VG Reviews}} with a standard infobox, as I know at least 2 sources that are WP:V Reliable Sources, but not shown in {{VG Reviews}}. And I'll add citations, as I'm a glutton for WP:V --Philcha (talk) 12:48, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
• In "Development", Fan's material is clearly Wikipedia:GAMEGUIDE#NOTHOWTO and must be removed from the articles text - but include it in "Exteral links", where it will help users. We have enough citations already to support a good of the game's behaviour. --Philcha (talk) 12:48, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm working it in a sandbox, so that messy intermediate changes don't show in the article. When I hope it's in OK but will space for improvements, I'll ask you to comment at the sandbox's Talk page. --Philcha (talk) 12:48, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Shoudn't there be a page for pvza?

Shoudn't there be a page for plants vs zombies adventures? (pvza).i would make one but i don't know how to create a page.plus i think you have to be autoconfimed anyways to make a page and i'm not autoconfimed. Wintermelon43 (talk) 18:06, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Slot machine

Regarding this, Spielo does not have a Wikipedia article showing its notability and the addition is sourced to what is essentially a press release. There is nothing to show the product's noteworthiness. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 02:42, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Agree. There would be something to add if the slot machine producer was notable to start, but without notability of them, this reads as promo (even if the intentions are not that of the editor) and trivial to add. If a third-party source notes this, that may also be reason to include. --MASEM (t) 02:47, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

WP:UNDUE coverage of trivium that no one cares about except the producer of the item. WP:SPS the sourcing is only appropriate for content that is not unduly self serving in an article about the company, neither of which applies here. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:42, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Your interpretation of WP:SPS is bogus. It says Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities. It says "usually". Not "only". Whether Spielo International is a redlink is neither here nor there, as Wikipedia's coverage of the casino gaming industry is abysmal—we don't have an article on Multimedia Games, a NASDAQ listed slot vendor, and Gemaco was only created this year. I could write an article on Spielo if I really wanted to, buuuuuut, I don't want to, so... —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 06:40, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

You missed the qualifiers like "...the material is neither unduly self-serving..." For any popular franchises there are usually lots of licensees making everything from lunch boxes to caps. We're looking for independent coverage as we don't list stuff that has been simply slapped with a recognizable name. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 18:28, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree with NeilN. This isn't the place for an indiscriminate list of product spin-offs. The article's primary focus is the game itself. Trivial details like this look out of place, and there is no justification as to why casino slot machines should be mentioned over the hundreds, if not thousands, of other products/merchandise with the PvZ name. --GoneIn60 (talk) 20:06, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Two things: it's not generally considered "unduly self-serving" to use a reference by the creator of a thing to support a fact about that thing. New Super Mario Bros. contains multiple references published by Nintendo, and that's a featured article. (Presumably if this violated WP:SPS the article wouldn't have passed the FA process.) As for why it's relevant...there's a big difference between mere memorabilia like a hat or a keychain and a slot machine, given that the latter is essentially a multimedia video game spinoff in its own right. (The slot machine uses graphics, sound, and game mechanics similar to that of the original game.) It also illustrates that Plants vs. Zombies is considered a well-known enough game that someone thinks a slot machine version of it would draw in customers. I would agree that a full-blown article on this slot machine title would be overdoing it, but frankly, I consider the level of opposition against a one sentence mention of the machine, as well as what appears to be the near-universal misunderstanding of what WP:SPS is attempting to accomplish, to be rather unbelievable. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 22:10, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

We have a non-notable company talking about a product that only they have written about. The only evidence this machine thus exists is from the company that has claimed to built it. That's nowhere near sufficient to meet WP:V's requirements for inclusion. This is exactly what SPS is designed to protect against. --MASEM (t) 22:15, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

[2] —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 22:22, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Also, just because it doesn't have a Wikipedia article doesn't mean it's not notable. It just means nobody has bothered to write an article yet. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 22:23, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I found this [3] instead, that, 1) doesn't look like a presser reprint, and 2) notes that GTech is Spielo's owner, and we do have an article on GTech, so that gets rid of any COI issues. --MASEM (t) 22:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Genre is also Action, Adventure

I think the genre is also action, adventure because in the game killing zombies is action and venturing forth in the game is an adventure. But User:Ferret has been arguing about the genre and says I am wrong. But I don't want to argue so I will provide a reliable source. Gameroffun (talk) 01:40, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Please lists any sources you have here. Understand that a single source from a directory type listing isn't really sufficient. The game's designers have constantly referred to it as a tower defense game. Your use of genres is relying on the most basic definition of the words "action" and "adventure" (You don't really "venture forth" anywhere in PvZ) -- ferret (talk) 01:43, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Which is why I wanted you to list sources here first. A game store is not what Wikipedia views as a reliable source. -- ferret (talk) 01:52, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Look, I do want to argue about this but I have already prooven that the game is action, arcade. Lets keep it as it is and get over it. Gameroffun (talk) 02:00, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Just because one store front lists is as such doesn't make it so. Storefronts are not reliable sources for game genres. The game also readily fails the basic common sense tests of being an "action" or a "adventure" game - it is a tower defense, a well-known casual example of one, and thus stays there. --MASEM (t) 04:19, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Just for the record, "adventure game" does not mean games where you go on adventures - the term means "Colossal Cave Adventure-like game". --IDV^talk 04:56, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

@Gameroffun:, please familiarise yourself with Wikipedia's guidelines. Claims are based upon reliable sources. You're just adding your own opinion. Please stop, or you might get blocked. --Soetermans. T / C 11:59, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

@Gameroffun:, I don't appreciate being called an idiot, when I (and others too) are trying to communicate with you in a constructive manner. If you don't want to play nice, Wikipedia might not be the place for you. Now, there aren't any "facts" to face, we're asking you to come up with sources. --Soetermans. T / C 12:11, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

I am really sorry for what I said User:Soetermans please forgive me. I was really angry that time. I will be nice. And could you please tell me what reliable source wikipedia acepts? Thank you for removing my rude comment. Regards, Gameroffun (talk) 22:12, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

The reliable source guidelines are explained at WP:RS. Essentially sources with reputation for fact checking, accuracy and editorial oversight . -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:42, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Apology accepted. The Red Pen of Doom is right, you'll find all the reliable sources you'll need. --Soetermans. T / C 18:28, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Spam

I removed spammy links added by a new user (who added similar links to dozens of other articles as well) and warned the user. While the info may be valid, the pattern of adding link after link to the same webpage suggests that the motive for adding the info has more to do with driving traffic and less to do with building an encyclopedia. If anyone wants the same info (Google play and Apple app store downloads of this game) those figures can be obtained elsewhere. Etamni | ✉ | ✓  09:02, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

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Fixed this page up

OK, so I noticed that the grammar was wrong and I fixed dat up — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrEden179 (talk • contribs) 20:37, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Plants vs. Zombies 3 Article

The game may be new, but an article could be created.

B-class reassessment

I have recently done a source check on Plants vs. Zombies. Earlier this month, I set up a to-do list of things that could be improved upon. I don't think this article is B-class. It is actually C-class. Let's look at what the B-class criteria says:

1. The article is suitably referenced, with inline citations.

2. The article reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies.

3. The article has a defined structure.

4. The article is reasonably well-written.

5. The article contains supporting materials where appropriate.

6. The article presents its content in an appropriately understandable way.

Here is my assessment against the criteria:

1. Failed - The article does have a lot of citations. But there is a lot of citation needed tags and two-three failed verification tags. The gameplay section doesn't even have any sources.

2. Failed - Where is the release section. There wouldn't need to be citations about the various versions and their release dates in the infobox if there was a release section. Also, the gameplay, the critical reception section, and the sequels and spin-offs section could be expanded upon.

3. Failed - Misuse of the legacy section. It is just a bunch of pop-culture references from various media to Plants vs. Zombies. The point of a legacy section is to describe the video game's impact on the series, the genre, or the video game industry, not to list various pop-culture references to Plants vs. Zombies. Plus, there already was a pop-culture reference sub-section in the development section, which even then shouldn't be part in the article at all as per WP:GAMECRUFT, at least not part of the development section. The lead needs to be rewritten.

4. Unknown - Prose was never my strong point. Someone may have to look that over for me.

5. Pass - The box art and gameplay are used as primary means at identifying the game. The infobox and the review box are used appropriately. The picture of the lottery card is used when talking about the lottery card in the legacy section, though the legacy section may need to be removed.

6. Pass - A casual reader could look at the article and understand what it is saying.

Verdict - Failed, this article is C-class, not B-class. Lazman321 (talk) 17:38, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Update: I have since dealt with all these problems and more. It has now been reassessed as B-class and is on its way to being GA-class. Lazman321 (talk) 15:53, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Zomboni

Can somebody include Zamboni in the cultural references? I don't know how to properly insert it. Thank you. Ja 1207 (talk) 13:29, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

That information has already been added, however I did not go. --186.20.237.222 (talk) 18:34, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Plants vs. Zombies (series)

There is no article on wikipedia for the PVZ series [ Super Mario, Metroid, Halo (franchise) are some examples of what I'm talking about.]

George Fan

Is there any way we can separate this article from George fan so it doesnt redirect? He deserves his own wikipedia page and I think it's time we made that happen Gamerdudesteel (talk) 05:47, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

The word "deserves" used to describe creating articles is almost always the wrong way to go. You need to read WP:N and see if he meets the notability criteria. -- ferret (talk) 15:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

For what it’s worth, I think there's a good chance he does meet the GNG. He has received media attention for P&~Z obviously (1, 2), but for other things too (3, 4, 5). That was just a 2-sec Google; there will likely be enough interviews and such to make a page on him. I'm not suggesting anyone do it; just that it could be done. — ImaginesTigers (talk) 04:46, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Plants vs. Zombies/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: J Milburn (talk · contribs) 21:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Happy to offer a review. I've not played it, and it doesn't really appeal, but I recognise that it's an important and influential game. Josh Milburn (talk) 21:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

• You mention the columns but then move on to talk about the abilities of the plants and zombies -- it'd be helpful if you could talk about the significance of the grid at first mention!
  •  Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:02, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
• "clicking on ones that randomly generate over the lawn" Ones? What is being described, here? Little coins? A sun symbol?
  •  Done I was mentioning sun. Coins weren't even brought up at this point in the section. Lazman321 (talk) 15:02, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
• In the gameplay section, you're inconsistent in how you name the tools in the game. Is it, for example, a Pool Cleaner, a pool cleaner, or a "pool cleaner"? I don't have a strong opinion, I just think you should be consistent. (This continues later in the article, too, and I also note you're inconsistent on whether it's Adventure Mode, Adventure mode, or adventure mode. And you sometimes use "Quotes" for game modes, sometimes don't!)
  •  Done I removed the quotes from the tools and adopted a consistent naming convention for each mode. Lazman321 (talk) 15:02, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
• "and Crazy Dave choosing three of the plants" I don't follow
  •  Done I made it clear that Crazy Dave at the beginning of each level in each subsequent run of Adventure mode, he randomly selects three of the plants. Lazman321 (talk) 15:02, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
• "Aliens would come into top tank to fight defensive and stacked fish and the bottom tank would be resource manager that would function similar to original game" I don't really follow this.
  •  Comment: Do you have an idea of a better way to write this. Read the source. Lazman321 (talk) 15:02, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
• Reading the "Concept" section, I was left feeling that the idea of the seed packets and the choosing of plants a the start of the level hadn't really been conveyed to me in the gameplay section. This might be my problem, but perhaps it's worth looking again?
  •  Done Made the plant selection more clear in the gameplay section. Lazman321 (talk) 15:02, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
• "Fan stated that every game he worked on had only him designing the prototype, adding that he used to draw a lot before he made games, where he made pixel art." I'm struggling with this sentence. I'm not sure what is meant by "first plants" in the following sentence, either.
  •  Done Straight up ditched the first sentence as it would be more appropriate for an article about George Fan. Remove "first" from the next sentence. Lazman321 (talk) 15:02, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
• The zombie temp story's great, but I think you could explain it a little more clearly!
  •  Done Explained it according to its source.
• I think you'll need to mention that Residential Evil is a pun on Resident Evil. (Is Bloom & Doom a pun? Specifically a reference to Doom, perhaps?)
  •  Not done The source doesn't say that Residential Evil is a pun on Resident Evil. Mentioning the pun would be original research. Also, no. Bloom & Doom is not a pun. I believe it's just a fun and silly phrase.

Stopping there. Not bad so far, but the writing could be a bit clearer in places. Please double check my edits so far! Josh Milburn (talk) 21:57, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@J Milburn: I believe that I have addressed all the issues in your first set. Many of your copy-edits are fine, but there are some noticeable errors you made including adding an additional "]" in the lead. You also said that the player defends "around the house" even though the player only defends one area at a time so I felt like that addition was misleading. Lazman321 (talk) 15:02, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

• I didn't understand the reference to the Umbrella Leaf (was that included in the game or not? Were the bungee zombies?) so I tried to check the reference, but the link was dead. COuld you look into this? The article may still be accessible elsewhere or through the Internet Archive.
  •  Done: Removed the url-status=live variable and made it clear that the Umbrella Leaf and the zombies were included in the final game.
• "Originally, the dancing zombie resembled Michael Jackson from the short film "Thriller"" I'm unclear about the reference to the zombie, and you're referring to a music video rather than a short film (though, of course, lines blur). Shouldn't that be Dancing Zombie? And why are you mentioning a type of zombie that is included immediately after talking about zombies that aren't included? Generally, in this characters section, I think you need to say a little more (or at least say first) about the characters that were included, and then talk about some that weren't.
  •  Done: Rearranged parts of the section and changed short film tomusic video for. I don't know how to make the reference clearer for you.
• " The song "Ultimate Battle" also appears in the game Melolune." This feels out of place. Also, the following sentence refers to "this game", and it's unclear which game is meant.
  •  Done: Removed the sentence and replace {!xt |the game}} with {xt |Plants vs. Zombies}}.
• The article is a little confusing when it comes to the Fan/Shigihara relationship. In one place, you call Shigihara Fan's girlfriend; in another, you talk about him approaching her after following her for years.
  •  Done: Made their relationship clear.
• What does "organic sounds" mean in this context?
  •  Comment: I don't know. Making a guess would be original research. I will be putting it in quotation marks for now.
• Who thought it was an April Fools joke?
  •  Done: The citation says that many PC gamers initially thought that the music video was an April Fools joke.
• "The trailer was noted by The Escapist and Rock, Paper, Shotgun, which announced the game on April 24, 2009, which promoted the Zombatar Creator that allowed the player to create a zombie face that would be used as the face of the flag zombie,[39][40] though this was not used until the "Game of the Year Edition" of Plants vs. Zombies." There's too much going on here, I fear. Too much detail, and too much going on in one sentence. (Also, check the capitals on "flag zombie".)
  •  Done: Just merged the information into the second paragraph.
• "PopCap Games has stated that they would be porting Plants vs. Zombies to other platforms right around when Plants vs. Zombies was being released." Very strange way of saying this -- streamline!
  •  Done
• "n March 25, 2010, Emily Rose of PadGadget revealed that the updated iTunes interface included upcoming game titles including ports of iPhone games for the iPad, with Plants vs. Zombies being one of them. If the upcoming games are clicked, an error message will appear, saying "the item you've requested is not currently available in the US store".[54] This was noted by IGN and Business Insider.[55][56]" Is this important?
  •  Comment: Yes, it is the first indication of the iPad version being released. There was no announcement that I could find before the release of the port.
• "The main difference between the DS version and the DSiWare version is that the in the DSiWare version, all of the game modes; except the four exclusive mini-games from the DS version and a new mini-game, "Zombie Trap"; were removed." First, that's not how semi-colons work! Second, how can all the game modes be removed? What is there left if there are no game modes?
  •  Done: Rewritten for clarity.
• "Nathan Meunier of GamesRadar+ believes that the PlayStation Vita port is not too much different from the other ports.[95]" So what?
  •  Done: Just removed the sentence altogether.
• "Marc Saltzman from Gamezebo finding humor in the many ways to kill the zombies."<" Is this a direct quote? I can't make sense of the quote marks!
  •  Done: Must've been a typo. I removed the quotation mark.
• Could you revisit the paragraph on the reception of the ported versions? I think it could be a little more readable.
  •  Comment: I don't know how I could make it more readable. The best I can do is remove the opening statement.
• Do we need all the details of the rumours about why Fan was laid off?
  •  Comment: Yes, as there is no George Fan article, and this is all put for an understanding of Fan's removal from PopCap Games.
• "can be bought using in-game currency or from certain zombies.[147]" You can buy it from zombies?
  •  Done: No you cannot. I was referring to the fact that defeating zombies that are glowing green can give the player plant food.
• " It was released at an early access state that same date." What does this mean?
  •  Comment: You don't know what early access means? I am definitely linking the term in the article then. It means that the game was released in an unfinished state for testing purposes before the game's official release date.
• "According to Metacritic, all the sequels and spin-offs of Plants vs. Zombies received generally positive reviews,[164] with the exception of the Xbox 360 version of Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare which received mixed reviews,[165] Plants vs. Zombies Adventures which did not get assigned a metascore,[166] and Plants vs. Zombies 3 which does not have an entry as of January 2021." I don't know how useful this is -- too much detail!
  •  Done: Just removed the extra information of the exceptions and just put near the beginning, with a few exceptions.
• I'd like to hear more about the comics, but I won't demand it for GA purposes!
  •  Comment: This will definitely be one of my priorities for a future FAC nomination. The comics are a bit obscure. Most I could probably add is a synopsis using the comic books as primary sources, though the problem is that I don't own the comic books. There may be some in a graphic novel section of a library in town, but that is about it.

OK, that's my first read-through. Sorry it was a little bitty. I'll look closely at the sources and images in due course. Josh Milburn (talk) 17:27, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

I believe I have responded and addressed all the issues in the second set. Can't wait for the third set of issues or a pass. Lazman321 (talk) 19:31, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Looking at the sources...

• What makes Padagadget reliable? I note that the content sourced to it felt (to me) like it bordered on the trivial. (You can expect lots of questions like that at FAC!)
  •  Comment: After the discovery by Padgadget, the iPad port leak was noted by many organizations including IGN, Engadget, Gamezebo, and CNet. Many of them credited Padgadget for the finding and likely saw for themselves. It isn't trival. I will rewrite the sentence to be more backed up by IGN and Engadget, and remove the Business Insider source.

Mentioning some things because you mentioned FAC...

• Formatting for the source to Shinigara's blog is a bit off. I do think it'd be worth you moving through the references and checking if there are any unwarranted uses of italics. I spotted 123, 124, and 125 with some issues, for example -- but then 126 doesn't italicise the name of a magazine! No publisher on 170... You can expect lots of questions about this sort of thing at FAC!
  •  Done: with issues with citations 34 (attempt), 126, and 170.  Comment: While in all other cases, italics would not be used on the name of the website, in citations 123, 124, or 125, the website is being used in a citation. Because it is required by WP:CS1 to use the name of the website in the website or work parameter, the website has to be italicized in the citation.
    • I have never looked at WP:CS1, so I've no opinion on what it does or does not say, but it does not supersede the MOS. Again, I'm not too fussed about this for GAC purposes, but you can expect people looking closely at FAC. Josh Milburn (talk) 18:56, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
• You cite someone called "Shaw Leonard", but I'm guessing it's Leonard Shaw? And the link's dead -- the site has been taken down.
  •  Done: by removing the url-status=live. It is "Shaw Leonard".
• I am getting a lot of hits on Google Scholar. You're going to need to dig into the scholarly literature. I realise this creates new challenges if you're used to more typical video games sources, but this is a question that I would certainly be asking at FAC.
  •  Comment: This argument I have seen in FAC reviews before. I will take a look at the scholarly sources, but if the information is already backed up by the traditional gaming sources, there is no point in adding them.
    • If you say so. A lot of the hits don't look that useful. It'd be great if you could find some scholarly work placing it in the context of zombie fiction more broadly (and/or casual gaming more broadly), but I don't know how realistic that is -- a lot of the hits aren't actually to published papers, or they're to papers published in suspicious-looking journals. There's a chapter on the game's music in this book that will surely be worth citing, but that's the most interesting thing I saw on my (admittedly cursory) search. Josh Milburn (talk) 19:11, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
      • @Josh Milburn: Unfortunately, I don't have access to the source. I did like the source you picked though as this could expand the soundtrack sub-section of the development section. As a result, I have submitted a request for someone that does have access to look at the chapter for any information to add on WP:RX. I am also applying through WP:The Wikipedia Library access to Taylor & Francis's website to have access to that book and this book I found. I will definitely add the sources in once I have access to them. I have looked through Google Scholar and I don't know if I can find anything useful out of them. Lazman321 (talk) 23:00, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
        • @Josh Milburn: Finally added the information from your listed source. I believe the review is over, or at least almost over. Lazman321 (talk) 20:25, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
          • That's great! I do want to have another read through the article; I'll hopefully get to that soon. Josh Milburn (talk) 11:05, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

No concerns about the images. I want to read through the article again, though; I feel like there were some passages that made for quite tricky reading. (And, of course, I am not ignoring your comments above.) While the requirements at GAC are much lower than at FAC, they're still fairly high! Josh Milburn (talk) 20:18, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

@Josh Milburn: I have addressed your third set of issues. Lazman321 (talk) 23:00, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

• "If zombies reach the right edge of the lane" I thought the zombies advanced right to left? So wouldn't this be left edge? And why "may"? Is the lawnmower not automatic? Are they not always there?
  •  Done: The statement of zombies reaching the right edge instead of the left must've been a mistake. Thank you.  Comment: What do you mean by "may". Using an in-page search from the browser, with the exception of within the date parameters of the citations, there is no "may" in the gameplay section.
    • Sorry -- I meant how zombies can be taken out by the mower. I read this as meaning they aren't always. Josh Milburn (talk) 16:50, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
      •  Done: Changed "can be" to "are". Lazman321 (talk) 18:10, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
• "According to PopCap, the iOS release of Plants vs. Zombies sold more than 300,000 copies in the first nine days it was available on the App Store, generating more than $1M in gross sales, and considered it "the top-grossing iPhone launch"" The grammar is off. Who considered it the best top-grossing launch? PopCap? Perhaps it would be worth splitting this sentence.
  •  Done: Split apart the sentence.
• "The iPhone port of Plants vs. Zombies was commended for being faithful to the PC version and addition of quick play mode, but were disappointed by the lack of most of the game-modes" I don't understand. Who was disappointed?
  •  Done: Clarification.
• What is "the flag meter"?
  •  Done: Changed the statement to what the flag meter is supposed to do.

Stopping there. The article is looking much stronger. I still think the writing is a good bit below what is expected at FAC, but I do think it's approaching GA-level. I made some changes; please double-check them. Josh Milburn (talk) 17:13, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@Josh Milburn: Finished with your fourth set of issues. I looked your copyedits and they are pretty good. Thank you. Lazman321 (talk) 18:22, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I'm happy to promote the article at this time. I think you're probably going to want a few more pairs of eyes on it before FAC, though; I suspect the writing will not be that well received there! In any case, I'm pleased to see we have a decent article on the game, and commend you for the time you've put into it! Great working with you. Josh Milburn (talk) 21:42, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:44, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that in under a month, Plants vs. Zombies became the fastest selling video game developed by PopCap Games?
  • ALT1:... that Plants vs. Zombies was initially created to be continuation of Insaniquarium?
  • ALT2:... that the tutorial of Plants vs. Zombies was designed to be simple and be spaced throughout Adventure mode?
  • ALT3:... that when the music video, "Zombies on your Lawn", was released on April 1 announcing Plants vs. Zombies, many gamers thought it was an April Fools joke?

• Reviewed: No quid pro quo is necessary as I only have three WP:DYK credits.

Improved to Good Article status by Lazman321 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:40, 18 February 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: I don't think Alts 1 or 2 are particularly interesting. Strongly recommend linking the sources to hooks after the alt when the article is as long as this one. For ALT3, the given source suggests many gamers were were unsure if it was an April Fools Joke, not that they thought it was. ALT0 seems good to go Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 00:38, 19 February 2021 (UTC)