Talk:Pontiac GTO

Revival Section of Article

This section appears to have been copied from the following website: http://www.tachrev.com/GTO4.htm The information is good, but not original --EMU CPA (talk) 21:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

2009

The '08 GTO is going to be the Pontiac G8. No name change. The Firebird isn't going to be coming out in at least 3 years (if so).

1:04, 22 April 2007 (UTC) Great, a four door sedan with an automatic transmission is the new "GTO." No thanks. It may not have looked special from the outside but at least the '04 is fun to drive.Es330td (talk) 14:14, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

G8 is perhaps a cousin of the GTO, but not a replacement.--EMU CPA (talk) 21:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Tri-Power/Tri Power

Is Tri-Power spelled with a dash or without one? Because both appear in the article, with and without a dash.

68.61.181.155 21:05, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Merge

No, don't merge it, get rid of the smaller. It's poorly written especially compared to the larger article and makes some incorrect assertions (such as rushing features into 04' production and future production possibilities).

Yes, merge the Pontiac gto into Pontiac GTO or just redirect because the gto is just rehashing everything that the main GTO article covers. Either get rid of it or merge it in. KLRMNKY 01:23, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I've turned it into a redirect. A quick glance showed content that wasn't as good as here. Anyone that wants to dig thru it and use whatever was there is able to do so. Friday (talk) 01:56, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I think the whole 2004 section is full of weasel wording too. Best to cite some reviews for the critism of the vehicle if the detractions are to stay. --Decromin 16:24, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

The '04-'06 GTO was not cancelled because of poor sales, it was ended because GM/Holden wanted to shift the production lines to build Zeta type cars. Also, when it was initially decided to build the GTO, it was determined to only run it for a maximum of 3 years since this is the time allowed to build within to avoid having to run numerous crash and safety tests. Also, continuing on, the aged Cattera (late 90's Cadillac frame) that the GTO is build upon was replaced by the CTS and is deemed bulky and heavy as compared to modern automtove chassis. 65.166.103.203 05:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)From a guy that actually owns and works on modern GTO's and knows what he is talking about.

1974 power/weight ratio

• I removed an unsourced claim about a "record power to weight ratio" for the 1974 GTO. Since the weight was something like 80 percent of its predecessor's weight, and the horsepower was something like 50 percent of the actual (not advertised) power of its predecessor, this couldn't be true even among GTOs, before one even considers the AC Cobra or Lotus Super Seven. I'll check the edit history to see if this was just a hoax by an anon, as the poor spelling of the deleted sentence suggests. Barno 21:44, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

I say drop the other page.

Holden Monaro

Can you get Holden Monaro parts from Austraila and replace the current Pontiac GTO parts with them transforming it into a Holden Monaro? 209.137.173.69 20:00, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I think it might be possible; the only problem would be some interior parts, since the Monaro was only produced in right-hand drive while the GTO was, of course, produced in left-hand drive. --ApolloBoy 04:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

And the GTO logo is stitched into the seats, which would recquire restitching. I have actually seen one, with new fascias front and rear. It can be done, there will still be places where the GTO logo will be visible. Bok269 23:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Reasons to not Merge

This car only holds the namesake GTO, it is a travesty to include this model with the likes of a car that was argueably the original American Muscle Car. Rather, if anything, the page should be merged with the Monaro as it holds no deserving merit except for holding the same name as the GTO, nothing else, no similar body lines or looks. John DeLorean is rolling in his grave knowing this car holds the name GTO. The concept car has a greater likeness. I take offense to the fact the car holds the name GTO, and I'm a Ford man! Cobrapete 19:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I've gone over the articles it looks like the information could be merged into both the GTO and Monaro articles. Either way it looks like a good candidate for merger in my opinion. - Diceman 05:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

i owned a 2006 GTO and maybe it wasnt a GTO in the asthetic sense of the word, but that 400hp LS2 was fast as hell, and would have given any former GTO goosebumps. that car was fast as hell, its not a travesty, it should be accepted as a muscle car. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.142.190.230 (talk) 10:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

look her the newer gto was a hunk of junk it looked horrible shame on gm == Reasons for Merger ==

I suggested the Merger because the Pontiac GTO (2004) article contains info already mentioned here, and goes beyond the 2004 generation. Other 1 generation car articles only have that one generation. I apologize if I didn't go about this the right way; I am new to Wikipedia. Bok269 23:42, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, keep it all on one page. clever curmudgeon 03:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

On second thought, since many vehicles have articles for each generation, why not remove the platform for the new vehicle and move it to a new page? Bok269 01:16, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree: merge. Or, more precisely, eliminate the GTO (2004) page and fold what is of value in it (not much) into the GTO page. I seem to pretty much agree with most other posters.

And somebody fix the internal links, too. I just fixed several but ran out of patience. --Deaconse 02:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Song

There was a popular song about the Pontiac GTO. It was called "GTO" or "Little GTO" or something.

I'm surprised nobody added it before me. It was called "Little GTO" and was done by Ronny and the Daytonas. They were a pretty good Beach Boys-esque surf/hot rod quartet. I'd suggest anyone reading this should have a listen. Now I have that "wah wah wah wah wah wah wah" part from Little GTO stuck in my head. 67.8.128.66 18:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I still don't believe his GTO was beating the gassers and the rail jobs. Gzuckier 19:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

i do not have the book in front but some of the informatio about the 66 and 67 gto is to the best of my knoledge incorrect. My source is a book written in the eighties ( the big little GTO book) and from archive information available for a fee from the pontiac archives which are now privately held i think. Send them your VIN, a fee, and they will send you all info on your exact car that is available. Anyway 1. the engine change from 66 to 67 was prompted by the first ever federal emmisions law that required a closed circuit Positive crankcase ventilation system for internal crankcase gases. The 389 usd and drop yube style breather dumping oil and combustion gases that passed the ring out the side of the block and onto the ground, in a closed system which all us automakers had to switch to which is what prompted the chang in block designs and in the engines that were offered. 2. the 67 was the only year that offered as its only model not an option, your posting says it was the 66. 3. the automatics withe dual gate shifter was commonly refered to as a "His and Hers", "D" for her and manual shifting for him. 4. the underrating of stated horsepower numbers was driven by to factors, i am not an trained expert but i do own a 67 four speed close ratio covertable generally considred the most desirable of all the second gen goats and have been very interested and "on the inside of the muscle car scene" for twenty years my understand is that as the horspower wars started to rage out of control in detroit; mostly between ford and chevy on the front page and chevy and pontiac internally at GM John Delorean was fastly making a name for himself. at at that time the major manufacurer beleived in the mantra win in sunday sell on monday.

actual homologation

I swear i remember some article in the magazines at the time that somebody at GM went through the steps to actually homologate the original GTO under FIA rules, and somebody ended up taking it to Le Mans (I think)... can't find any kind of reference on google, though. Grr. it would spice up the article. Gzuckier 18:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Different Track Times

Just commenting on the quarter mile times, they seem real slow. I know a guy thats had 6 GTOs and he took a few to the track and one of his bone stock 1967 GTOs with a 389 4 speed did low 13s on crappy tires and pump gas.

I was running low 12's with my 2005, so I dont know where the 13 second quarter mile time is coming from. I heard it was to keep insurance rates down or something so they advertised it as a "slower" car. I added new injectors and exhaust and was in the high 11's........the car is fast, a little heavy but its fast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.249.145.51 (talk) 14:28, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I had a 2006 GTO and believe me, there is no way to get a stock one into the low 12s. Mid to upper 12s is possible with a perfect launch, perfect shifting, and good conditions. I was able to manage an 8.008 in the 1/8-mile which calculates to approximately 12.55-12.60 in the 1/4-mile but that was a perfect pass I had made. Never had any good 1/4-mile passes but was able to manage 13.0-13.2 with horrible 60-foot times and a horribly-prepped track, so I know that the upper 12s are definitely possible. I just cant see low 12s being stock and have never before seen it. I used to race my GTO very often so I've done a lot of researching on it and experienced it myself. I would love to see your car making those times though as it would be pretty impressive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.21.146.216 (talk) 04:47, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Name change to Firebird??

I realize that the entire section on the 2009 GTO is speculative, but the bit about it possibly changing its name to Firebird is beyond speculative and something I've only seen as a few bloggers' opinions on what they think the new vehicle should be. --Mary quite contrary ^(hai?) 22:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

05 Pontiac Literature

Corrected a mistake with the quarter mile times. Pontiac quotes the 05 GTO at 13.0 secs at 109 mph. not 13.5 seconds... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.13.143.170 (talk) 06:06, 29 April 2007 (UTC).

Commodore is not based on Omega chassis (Catera)

Reference to Caddillac Catera Chassis is incorrect. Commodore chassis is significantly different to Omega (Caddillac Catera).

quote from LS1GTO.com from Australian user who is expert in history of commodore:

"...Then in 1994 Opel brought out the brand new Omega B (below top) that replaced both the Record and Senator models and ended the inline 6 engines for Opel, using a new V6 and I4 engines (It was also sold in the US as the Cadillac Catera). Again Holden decided to save money by using the wind tunnel tested and developed ‘shape’ of the new Opel. But it again had to widen it. This resulted in the new 1997 VT Commodore using a stylized copy of the now 3 year old Opel Omega. But again locally designed suspension and other locally sourced parts had to carry over into the new design. Again, only the doors were to be shared with the Opel, as well as a strengthened and modified copy of it’s independent rear suspension (which had been reengineered into a unique Holden version during the previous body) was used. However, as the body team worked on the style of the new VT Commodore (from which the Monaro/GTO was later engineered), even the rear door skins and glass were reshaped and so only the front doors were common with the Opel Omega B/Cadillac Catera. And of course the Holden Commodore now used the Buick 3.8 pushrod motor (with and without supercharger) and the Chevy Corvette LS1 engines matched to locally designed and sourced drivetrains and brakes etc. This also required a totally unique floorpan and framework than the narrower and lighter Opel/Catera.

To reaffirm that the Commodore and Omega are two different engineering products you can visually see that the Commodore is a much wider and bigger vehicle than the Omega. And look at things like the roof of each below. Note that the Omega’s roof is a single pressing while the Commodore has a three-piece pressing. Given that the passenger cell is a major frame component in a monocoque design - this is a significant difference on it’s own. But also follow the carriage line under the side windows forward to where they intersect the front. Note how this virtually straight line sweeps over the top of the Omega headlights yet intersects the side blinkers on the Commodore. And the bonnet shut lines on the Commodore are more inboard than the Omega’s. This is because the entire shape of the front and even the substructure in the Commodore are different And underneath is even more different. A car needing to carry a heavy 5.7 LS1 has to have a different frame from a vehicle that’s heaviest engine is a 3.0 V6..."

Popular Culture

I removed the GTO in Popular Culture section. None of the information was cited, and most of it was trivia. Livewireo (talk) 15:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

First Generations Sister GM vehicles.

Can some one verify if the first gen Tempest / GTO related vehicles is correct. My understanding is the Tempest is related to the Chev Nova, Buick Skylark and Olds F-85. Not the Chevell, Special and Cutlass as listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meridesbikes (talk • contribs) 05:26, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Info box holden vs pontiac

The infobox says that it was made by GM from 1964 to 1974, and Holden from 2004-2006. However it was made by the Pontiac subsidiary of GM from '64-'74, and was a badge-engineered version of the Monaro coupe built by the GM subsidiary Holden and imported under the Pontiac name from 2004-2006.

Long-winded way of saying the nomenclature is inconsistent. As far as I know Holden is a wholly owned subsidiary of GM, no different from Saturn, Pontiac, or Oldsmobile, other than that it still exists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.55.102.178 (talk) 19:34, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

VOE cancellation

What was the reasoning behind it? The page doesn't go into those details. Spartan198 (talk) 01:14, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

4th gen lack of advertising

In 2004, GM's Pontiac division mailed out a large number of full color, multi-page booklets with the title "Meet the new Pontiacs". All the new for 2004 models were in it *except* the new GTO. Would be nice to see if someone still has one of those booklets to show how GM ganked their own product in the market. I never saw a television ad for the GTO, not even local dealer ads ever mentioned it. GM appeard to have a "not invented here" attitude towards the car which definitely sabotaged its sales numbers. You can't sell it if you don't tell people it exists. Bizzybody (talk) 05:55, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Illegal street racing videos allowed on Wikipedia, I don't get it

Gosh, I just read this paragraph on the Article. Stock (might be a 2005-2006 6.0 version with a 6-speed manual transmission), it beat a Ferrari 612 Scaglietti in a January 2014 street race.[4] However, that race suggests that its 400 horsepower engine may be underrated for insurance purposes. EDIT: I removed the paragraph and warned the user already. 76.254.19.111 (talk) 17:29, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

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Relationship to the Pontiac Tempest article

I just noticed that there are separate articles for the Tempest and the GTO. I don’t necessarily think a merge is in order for this reason (the Camaro/Firebird and Belvedere/Road Runner are enough evidence for that), but I do think that there should be more shared formatting and links between the two articles so that the information is homogenized. Marisauna (talk) 05:05, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Gran Turismo Omologato or Omologata?

I'm a newbie on this page but following the talk over on the Ferrari articles which seem to have come to the consensus that the GTO in their names stood for "Gran Turismo Omologata", I wonder would the Pontiac GTO be the same? I see that it currently says "Omologato", does anyone know if that is the correct name or if it is indeed "Omologata" like the Ferraris it got the name from? TKOIII (talk) 15:53, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Car and Driver spells it with an 'o' (here: GTO vs. GTO, Legend vs. legend, twenty years later, in 1984. Encyclopedia.com (citing the Oxford University Press, a subsidiary of the University of Oxford (that Oxford) and the Ivy-League Columbia University-affiliated Columbia Encyclopedia" for its abbrevations), spells it with an 'a' (here: Definition of GTO, updated March 4, 2021).

I'm still stumped. 2601:196:181:BE00:A5A3:BF9E:782:C056 (talk) 23:36, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Relocated "fan page" content

The following uncited, anecdotal, "fan page" content has been relocated here. It does not belong in main article space. Properly rewritten and cited it could possibly be integrated (if and where appropriate at that point) as an intratext Note, using that format and syntax:

''[[Car and Driver]]'' incited controversy when it mentioned that a GTO, which had supposedly been tuned with the "Bobcat" kit offered by Ace Wilson's Royal Pontiac of [[Royal Oak, Michigan]], was clocked at a [[Dragstrip#Quarter_mile_times|quarter mile time]] time of 12.8 seconds and a trap speed of {{convert|112|mph|abbr=on}} on [[racing slick]]s. Later reports strongly suggest that the ''Car and Driver'' GTOs were equipped with a larger {{convert|421|CID|L|1|abbr=on}} engine that was optional in full-sized Pontiacs. Since the two engines were difficult to distinguish externally, the subterfuge was not immediately obvious. In Jim Wangers' ''Glory Days'' he admitted after three decades of denial that the red drag strip GTO had its engine swapped with a 421 Bobcat unit. Since the car was damaged during the testing, and Wangers did not want anyone looking under the hood, he used the blue road course GTO to flat tow the red GTO 1,500 miles back to Detroit.''[[Car and Driver]]'' incited controversy when it mentioned that a GTO, which had supposedly been tuned with the "Bobcat" kit offered by Ace Wilson's Royal Pontiac of [[Royal Oak, Michigan]], was clocked at a [[Dragstrip#Quarter_mile_times|quarter mile time]] time of 12.8 seconds and a trap speed of {{convert|112|mph|abbr=on}} on [[racing slick]]s. Later reports strongly suggest that the ''Car and Driver'' GTOs were equipped with a larger {{convert|421|CID|L|1|abbr=on}} engine that was optional in full-sized Pontiacs. Since the two engines were difficult to distinguish externally, the subterfuge was not immediately obvious. In Jim Wangers' ''Glory Days'' he admitted after three decades of denial that the red drag strip GTO had its engine swapped with a 421 Bobcat unit. Since the car was damaged during the testing, and Wangers did not want anyone looking under the hood, he used the blue road course GTO to flat tow the red GTO 1,500 miles back to Detroit.

2601:196:181:BE00:A5A3:BF9E:782:C056 (talk) 22:56, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

More relocated "fan page" content

As with the above, the following "fan page" content has been relocated here. Though interesting it is unencylopedic, and does not belong in main article space. At a GTO devotee website or blog, that is something else. Not here:

====Bobcat==== Throughout the 1960s, Ace Wilson's Royal Pontiac, a Pontiac [[Car dealership|car dealer]] in Royal Oak, Michigan, offered a special tune-up package for Pontiac 389 engines. The components and instructions could be purchased by mail, as well as installed by the dealer. A majority of the GTO's made available for media testing were equipped with a Bobcat kit.<ref>{{cite web|last=Severs |first=Aaron |url= http://ateupwithmotor.com/model-histories/pontiac-gto/ |work=ateupwithmotor.com |title=Three Deuces, Four Speeds: The Rise and Fall of the Pontiac GTO |date=7 August 2009 |access-date=13 March 2016}}</ref> Milt Schornack joined Royal Pontiac and helped improve the performance enhancement package.<ref>{{cite journal|last=Mattar |first=George |url= http://www.hemmings.com/mus/stories/2007/04/01/hmn_feature23.html |journal=Hemmings Muscle Machines |date=April 2007 |title=Milt Schornack - He put the GET-UP-AND-GO into GTOs |access-date=13 March 2016}}</ref> The components of the kit varied, but generally included parts to modify the spark advance of the [[distributor]], limiting spark advance to 34–36° at no more than 3,000 rpm (advancing the timing at high rpm for increased power), a thinner copper [[head gasket]] to raise compression to about 11.23:1, special intake manifold [[gasket]]s to block the heat riser to the carburetor (keeping it cooler), larger carburetor jets, and locking rocker nuts to hold the hydraulic valve lifters at their maximum point of adjustment, allowing the engine to rev higher without "floating" the valves. Properly installed, the kit could add between 30 and 50 horsepower (20–40 kW), although it required high-[[octane]] super-premium [[gasoline]] rated at over 100 octane to avoid [[Engine knocking|spark knock]] with the higher compression and advanced timing. Adhesive "Royal Bobcats" stickers were also included.

2601:196:181:BE00:A5A3:BF9E:782:C056 (talk) 23:06, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

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